Keep drinking the kool-aid Matt - That's very far from an "in depth analysis".
Additionally, as long as the iPhone stays on AT&T it will be subpar.
The iPhone being on AT&T doesn't make the device subpar it simply means the device is carried by a subpar vendor. Consequently if the iPhone was on the Verizon, Sprint, or T-Mobile network the chances are extremely high that those networks would have the same problems for large pockets of consumers. When looking at the basic functions of these phones they each do the same thing and do teh same thing in teh same way. They make and recieve calls.
It's just a plain and simple fact, the only reason iPhone is going to do better than android phones is because they have a fiercely loyal fan base. Apple is just playing catch up right now though. But one thing I've noticed is the missing mention of simply the best Android phone out there, the Nexus One, sure it's only available on T-Mobile, but it's still loads more reliable than AT&T.
The iPhone on AT&T is > any phone on Sprint.
Additionaly AT&T issues are subject to location, I can't say that I've had any network issues since I switched from Verizon, not to mention the customer service is 100x superior to any other US carrier.
You must be a teabagger. They like to use phrases like "drinking the kool-aid".
Your impression that AT&T is somehow "subpar" is due to you hearing baseless rumors about them. AT&T is fine. Certainly better than Verizon -- in both technology and customer service. I used to be with Verizon and I'll be damned if I'll go back to using their service again.
Get over it iphone users. Atari was the best gaming system once, but that ended. You people are like zealots. Pull your head out, get with the times, do some research and check it out for yourselves. If you had, you wouldn't be clinging on to the glory days of the past, like jackasses. I did and you can too.
@allstar1: The Gay comment was lame, grow up!
Asto the best phone, watch on June 19 when Samsung comes out with the new Galaxy S with T-Mobile...it will give most of the current phones a run for their money. T-Mobile will also be selling the Nexus One in their stores.
I agree... as long as the iPhone is on AT&T it is a frustrating experience. I love the iPhone, but AT&T's service makes it nearly unusable. I'm seriously considering moving to the droid because it is nearly the same at the moment and because of tethering.
@anyone who groups Apple fans together:
Us Apple fans aRe united becuase all you other people are retarded and blind to how vastly superior Apple Os's are. We become fierce because we are so frustrated there's even a comparison. Is a Lamborgini a better car than a Honda? Do we need to discuss it? Would you be pissed if people constatly claimed that the Honda was better?!?!
@GoFuckYourPC
APPLE CAN KISS MY ASS. The iPod, for example, is at least 40% more expensive than MP3s equal to it in performance. How fucking stupid do you have to be to pay that much more, hmm? You're the kind of person that would pay ANYTHING for something with an "i" in front of it, right? How's that iPad doing? IT SUCKS ASS, DOESN'T IT? No shit, Sherlock, it's worthless...as are YOU for blindly worshiping Apple and it's products.
Much of this phone bashing and "My phone is better than yours" banter is pointless. Every comment posted on this board is completely subjective. I currently use a Droid phone, but I am considering making the switch to iPhone once my contract with T-Mobile expires. However, I'm pretty skeptical about switching to the AT&T network due to what I've been hearing about dropped calls. The reason I left Sprint was dropped calls, and the reason I'm considering leaving T-Mobile is dropped calls.
Therefore, I believe all of the networks have their own respective "issues". It just depends on what you as a customer are willing to deal with. Furthermore, if you're complaining about prices on any of the networks, you should probably switch to a prepaid Cricket Wireless phone because there's not much of a difference in price for unlimited talk/text/data plans on the 4 big networks. I'm just saying...
idiot. att is killer compared to verizon, ohhh u have to hang up from our call to make a reservation. pathetic! Verizon may be everywhere but it is subpar. i want to be able to do way more than one thing on the network at a time.
This is very much proper use to "drinking the kool-aid" so would everyone quit whining about it?
Apple is a cult, they cost more don't perform near as well for the buck and are propriatary. It's an image addiction, pure and simple.
it doesn't matter all other networks would have the same problems, everythong is the same as any other US carrier. U attack what u dnt like so just keep hating!!
i have at&t & sprint ..SO sprint might have 4G but it sucks i have droped call and bad battery life. So the Evo is a great phone but if it was accross all platforms we would see how it runs same with iphone and incredible. oh but people have tried the iphone (jailbroken) on all networks so do the same for all then say what does what........
the only reason people have problems with not the iphone but AT&T is becuz u live in the movie "the Village" so leave the country side and get in a real city and try the phones. becuz if have t-mobil no one calls u cause u get no service while standing outside.
Hey CAMARONES, that "teabagger" comment just shows how much of an ignorant sheep you are. That is "gay" er than the kool-aid comment you and ALLSTAR1 have definately been a part of.
I agree with foxhjd1 that paying more for Apple products vs other equally performing lesser priced products can be mostly attributed to image addiction, but i must say that switching to a mac from a regular ass pc spared me from ever again receiving computer ending viruses from my ex-husband's porn addiction, lol. Thank you Apple, F**k you Geek Squad Haha
You people say "Kool-Aid" and "Fanboy" all the time. What does that mean? is it supposed to be bad? Some people like products that are easy to use and get everyday tasks done really easily. So we continue to buy them instead of complicated products that you have to be a geek in order to use. I don't get it. I buy cars that work, not cars that I have to work on all the time. Same thing for technology.
Apple products might be more expensive than others (iPod, Computers) but hell, I'm going to buy something that works, not anything that breaks within a year.
And consider this; the iPhone works like magic... the Evo has a bloody keyboard on it. I'll be damned if I have to deal with a tiny keyboard.
and for people that think AT&T is worse than Verizon, it's because Verizon doesn't need to deal with the massive amount of high quality iPhones. The first time that Verizon gets an iPhone, they will start crashing, and be in even worse state than that with AT&T... it's not Steve Job's company... they aren't as innovative...
I mean anyone who does development should get a Droid based phone, its more or less like this, if you enjoy using windows operating systems on your computer chances are your going to enjoy using a Droid, its based around broken linux systems such as Jason and FreeBSD, its easily hackable you can make virus's for the phone, and once you have it unlocked and root user access it's pretty much unstoppable, you can change processor speeds, run Linux Ubuntu and Windows XP and well as a ton of other things on the Droid, if you like APPLE products then you'd obvious go for the iphone for all the obvious apple reasons. Yes there is nice development on the Iphone but its specifically iphone development of games and apps, the Droid OS offers development of soooo much more than just apps and programs for your phone, not to meantion free tether? that i dont have to pay for? yes please sign me up....The other stopped for a ton of people is that the iphone is only AT&T and TMobile useable, and lets face it ATT is the most expensive phone company in the industry right now and TMobile's service sucks for an Iphone.
JAILBREAK!!!!!!!!! the only reason why I did is because I lost my tether option. best thing i did
Hey Camarones you must be a fagget because only faggets say the word teabaggers. Freaking Juvenile Idiot.
How "in depth" do you think their analysis is Matt? To be a truly credible article it needs to be unbiased. And if you did any research on this website before you started linking to it on every forum that doesn't say your iPhone is number one, you would see that it is owned by a company called MAC technologies, LLC. Now if that doesn't sound a bit biased, then I don't know what does.
while the phone is decent looking, I'm dissapointed that they still only stick with AT&T. For those who want to say AT&T is the best network, do some research, twice last year the cell phone network ratings came out and AT&T came in dead last due to poor customer service and a large lack of actual 3G coverage. Sad to say even Sprint came in higher then AT&T and their network is spotty at best. I've friends in tech supports that have repeatedly told me it's better to just buy an ipod touch and stick with someone else for a cell phone.
The iPhone4 is a super cool device! But it is on the wrong network. Why else do you think AT&T now has NO unlimited data plans available? Because their network hasn't been able to handle it, and still won't. Do what some person said to Steve jobs at the conference. "Get Verizon!"
We just published another artcle detailing the HTC EVO and the iPhone 4 and this may be the only phone in my opinion that shouldn't be wary, it gives the iPhone 4 a run for its money.
http://www.iphone-droid.com/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo-4g.aspx
YES!!!! Android should be phasing out. I say. Stop trying to imitate to stay in the game! Cheap bastards!
I think iPhone 4 should be owned by all smart phone users or ppl who have never had one! It will change how they think about a "PHONE".
Nothing is wrong with AT&T. I just subscribe to Sprint trying out their 4G overdrive and realize what a poor lousy company they are! They are 100X worst than AT&T customer services! I am glad I stay with the new AT&T!!!
srry man, being a carrier of ATT, Sprint, and Tmobile, Android isnt going ne where... in fact if you compare all the FREE apps to what you have to pay for with any apple product, about 85% of the time the customer will even choose something like the HERO, EVO, or MOMENT... sure there's some crap phones like the backflip(MEGA FAIL), or even the original my touch... but bottom line is, they might be an original imitation, but they have vastly outgrown what the iphone can do by effectively combining what blackberry, palm, and Iphone does all in one... not to mention look around you for once... android is starting to turn into as much of a cult as apple... and also about the sprint customer service... you can avoid their bad C.S. by taking a run into your local Radioshack... they can take care of about anything for you besides transferring numbers and warranty... also their rebates are instant, you dont have to send them in...
Hmmm who already multitasks? Who already has video chat? What company had a touch screen phone out first? Apple is the answer to NONE of these questions.
The Evo vs Iphone review is crazy slanted to the Iphone, First of all the Evo comes with 9gb of memory stock not 1gb and you can expand it to how ever much you want with multiple cards. I love how they could compare two processors they have not benchmarked by saying that Apples is faster. Worthless review to say the least.
wrong. check this out matt:
http://www.appolicious.com/games/articles/2064-what-the-new-iphone-4-means-for-gamers
The articles you linked to Matt515c made some very valid points concerning iPhones vs. Droid phones. At the time that you posted your comment, I would have had to side with the Droid phone, but seeing as how the iPhone was just released(or will soon be) on the Verizon wireless network, I expect big things are on the horizon. My current position is that it is a toss-up. The next few months should be very telling. Sheldon M. - Payroll Manager at CSW Solutions
Hello. I just wanted to add that, according to one of the shared articles at http://bytesland.com/iphone , the new I-phone 4GS is a great new technology but the issue is that it is not supported all over the world and you have to be specific with the application which should be supported by iphone, same with the android software not all applications are suitable plus u have to register the bar code it is kind of complicated a bit.
Hello. I just wanted to add that, according to one of the shared articles at http://bytesland.com/iphone , the new I-phone 4GS is a great new technology but the issue is that it is not supported all over the world and you have to be specific with the application which should be supported by iphone, same with the android software not all applications are suitable plus u have to register the bar code it is kind of complicated a bit.
well, Some points are dead-on; others, not so much.
I believe the top Android phones should definitely be very wary. At least the iPhone grab the first chance and it got plenty of loyal customers.
This should sum it up as to why Apple should be running scared:
Quick vote (CNN homepage poll)
Will you buy the new iPhone?
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No 83%232660
Yes 17%46860
Total votes: 279520
This is not a scientific poll
Given that the iPhone market share is between 16% and 17% of the SmartPhone market, what is the problem here?
Sources: Strategic Analytics, ABI Research
I think anyone would be very happy if 17% of all people bought their phone... That is putting up a single phone against all other phones. this poll means nothing unless you take the same poll for other phones and compare...
JB11 your first mistake is believing anything CNN puts out there they think obama is great and we are watching him steal the WORKING peoples money so people can sit at home on their ass and while i pay for their verizon or t-mobile phone! Second mistake if you cant pay for the pricey AT&T service dont be a iphone hater
poll like these are useless. @jwburkhard is right. i can start a poll on aroid something .com and create a similar poll
FYI AT&T has more dropped calls by FAR than Sprint.. and their data is crap. Oh wait... AT&T doesnt even give you all unlimited data anymore. LMFAO
true att doesn't do unlimited anymore but why pay for something your not using anyway check your data usage you are getting overcharged that's smart.
In the words of Steve Jobs "Educate yourself'.
Anyone currently on an unlimited data plan will have the option to keep their unlimited data plan and will not be forced into the Tier programs.
Whats just amusing as hell is that you probably believe Verizon would never do such a thing if they carried the iPhone. Realize that the data consumption generated by iPhone users surpasses ALL of the phones combined by other carriers. Verizon would crumble with it's ancient CDMA infrastructure. Combine that with the future data consumption predicted by the advent of FaceTime, Skype, and streaming Netflix and you can see why AT&T would adopt a Tiered approach. Big bad meanies.
As far as speeds go, comparing 3G to 3G across the nation, AT&T's network (by definition and testing) is far and wide faster then any other 3G network available. Saying that Sprint's WiMAX (it's not really 4G smart people) network is superior is like comparing the US and France in terms of military power. Pointless.
For all the KOOL-AID comments, keep letting Balmer and the likes serve you up subpar products, OS's, handsets and ideas while keeping you chained to the idea that you're fighting the 'man' by paying for the above mentioned services.
All WinMo phones are a joke, quit kidding yourself.
Android OS, has potential, but really Google is just spreading themselves too thin when it comes to application development and product quality (the DROID was crap, Motorola handset? really?).
Won't even bring up RIM other then to point out that BB OS 6 is too little, too late.
yes and you know this how??the data change is much better for me, and anyone else who doesn't use that much data, because i will be saving money rather than wasting it on something i dont need.especiallly since i use wifi as well.i used to have sprint too and it was fine. besides all of the dropped calls and how slow it was to use the web.at&t isnt the fastest, but it's faster.and now sprint wants to try 4g.they are taking a risk too because if they make a mistake, verizon, at&t, or t-mobile will give it a try and see exactly what went wrong. thats when they will use it better.so yeess, "LMAFAO"
Does anyone really believe that AT&T dropped unlimited data to save people money? If so, I have a fail proof place to invest your money. You can't loose! Just send your money to me and I will take care of the rest. No people, AT&T dropped unlimited data to make THEM more money, not save you some. Yes some people will save money. However, AT&T was worried that new features coming available on smart phones (ie "video chatting") would spike the data demand. Solution, charge overage fees so maybe one day AT&T will be able to improve their severly overloaded and subpar 3G network!
To jwburkhard's "Educate Yourself":
Selective educating yourself doesn't count, I suggest looking into GSM vs CDMA a little more thoroughly before attempting to make a point or downplay CDMA's superior data rates.
I use GSM and know it's downsides. CDMA is just better for data, sucks, I know... But hey, It's global! *Yay...*
jwburkhard - sorry, but WiMax is in fact 4G. It was developed as the successor to 3G technologies, hence by definition "4G". Now, it is true that it has been effectively superseded by LTE and will only see the light of day on Sprint/Clearwire and it is also true that Sprint will likely switch to LTE at some point in the future.
Johns - no it wasn't to "save people money". However, an unlimited data plan creates what economists refer to as a "common pool resource" (google it and maybe learn a little economics) and AT&T was experiencing exactly what "CPR" theories predict will happen. To regain control, they are reverting to a conventional "pay for what you consume" model. If you typically use less than what tiered service allocates (which I suspect is the vast majority of people), then you WILL save money. If you use more than that, then why shouldn't you pay for your excessive usage?
Over 8% of AT&T customers are iPhone users. As we all know, over the past few years the iPhone has greatly attributed to network traffic/slowness.
With the iPhone finally getting the tethering option, AT&T knows this is going to greatly increase traffic. What do they do to prevent this and also rake in money to improve their network? Cap data usage at 2gig and offer additional plans for overage. They one, have made people conscious of their usage and B, will receive additional revenue for expansion.
No I'm not a fan of this and yes, I'm grandfathered into the unlimited but even if I wasn't it takes alot to reach that 2gig limit. Unless you're constantly downloading (not streaming) movies and mp3s, the average person isn't going to be close.
Don't people remember why the iPhone couldn't send/receive MMS messages? Again, the network...
If this is how AT&T needs to improve their network, I'm in...
So what if it is on sprint. My buddy had the iphone and I got dropped so many times I can even count. Also the 8mega pixel is no bad on the Evo. I got the phone on Friday. Plus the Iphone on just att is a joke. That is the only thing going for them. On top of that they are getting rid of the unlimited data. If you already have an account for that you are fine, but if you want to make a new account and have unlimited data you cant. Plus I bealive they are not going to be doing 4g.
Believing and knowing what they're doing are two different things. AT&T has been rolling out and testing (in various cities, just like Sprints fake 4G) HDSPA 7.5mb compatible 3G network that far exceeds what any of it's competitors are offering. In addition to this they are in the process of converting their network by late 2012 to LTE standard technologies (the so called 4G). See, AT&T spends their money on improvements to their network, increasing the quality of customer service & investing in their handset partners (Apple). Verizon on the other hand continues to strip their handsets, horde their money and pretend that their network is good enough. The rumors of 2010-2011 Verizon LTE networks has now shifted to early 2013, congrats. Sprint is still Sprint nationwide, everyone is still snickering when they see a Palm Pre.
So what of what technology att is testing? doesn't mean you'll get that 7.5mb connection. You think att will open it up that wide? you don't think that they have a cap on the speed? don't put your beloved carrier and phone on a high pedestal.
Everyone needs to get over the data changes. 95% of people will save money from not having unlimited data. Most people have wifi everywhere anyway so they never use data. I checked my bill and I use 130 MB and I do tons of internet, streaming, etc. I'm just gonna save $15 a month now!
I agree ATT sucks for phone calls, but I still will never change from iPhone because I just don't make long phone calls anymore. Text and email are just enough for me.
I could spend all day going through the ignorant comments posted here...
First off, jwburkhard, you have excellent points.
Second, Nomand - Even if AT&T has a cap below 7.5mb, don't you think its better than the current 3G cap? Haven't you ever heard of "something is better than nothing?"
Andy - Thanks for putting your data usage on here. It's exactly what is needed for these ignorant people saying that the 2gig limit is a joke. Most people won't even touch 5 - 600 meg...
Fine, then forget the EVO. Get the Incredible - it's on Verizon - which I'm with (And I wouldnt' switch to AT&T for all the tea in China!)
well maybe for all the coffee in the world, i would switch, but att does suck and its not fair they teamed up with apple and leave no other choices
All the cell phone carriers suck! I wish I could boycott them all. Verizon has had 2 entire days, in the last month or so, when myself and anyone else on the Verizon network (in my area) could neither make or receive phone calls or texts!!! Do you think they will crediting all of us the 2 days we lost? They sure are quick to charge us for going over!
How can a 8MP camera be a 'CON' when the iPhone only has a 5MP? Where is your 'proof' that the 8MP cam on the EVO is 'poor' in quality?
The 3MP camera of the iPhone 3GS is > then the EVO. Take some pictures and put them side by side, or google it. The camera is a joke. Increasing the MP of a camera does not mean that the photo's it takes are automatically better. The problem is that when you increase the MP of a camera, you generally make those pixels smaller which in turn captures less photons, which are what is needed to produce high quality images. Apple increased their camera's MP from 3 to 5 but kept the pixels at the same size, thus allowing for clearer photo's. Not to mention they included a backside illuminated sensor that also allows more photon's to be captured. Take a minute to research something so you have a chance at knowing what you're talking about.
Well, clearly you have no idea how a digital camera works.
Devices like these have limited room for an optic sensor, so they tend to run pretty small. When you have two sensors of the same size with differing amounts of pixels, the one with the lower number will actually take a better quality photograph.
How can this be? Well, fewer pixels over the same surface area equates to larger pixels. By virtue of that larger size, they are capable of capturing greater amounts of light in formation. The result is more vivid accurate colors, and a wider dynamic range.
What Mega Pixels (MP's) bring to the party are scalability. The more of these MP's you have, the larger you can make the resulting photograph. 8MP would be about what you would need to make an image for a billboard, for example. Meanwhile, if what you wanted to make was a standard photo print, you would only need about 4.5 - 5MP. That is really the extent of the useful range.
So, what you are left with is this:
Higher count of smaller pixels = a lesser image that can be made larger.
Lower count of larger pixels = a better image that cannot be made as large.
By this same logic, you could assume that iPhone4's 5MP camera would then take lesser quality pictures than the 3GS's 2MP camera. However, and this was something Steve Jobs himself said in his keynote, the size of the pixels in these two cameras (3GS and 4) are the same. This means they put in a larger optical sensor.
This is not the case of the sensor in the EVO. I guarantee you that if HTC had added a larger optic sensor, they would have definitely mentioned it. It adds too much to production costs to allow it sleeper status.
So, long story short.. iPhone4 wins. Sad that this supposed 'tech writer' who penned this story doesn't even understand how something like a digital camera actually works.
@jwburkard
I was under the impression that the illumination sensor on the back of the phone, was to detect light level, allowing the camera software to adjust gain, or engage the flash when needed.
Do you have a link that discusses your notion of said sensor being used to gather photon info?
It may be poor quality... If you settings are set to the lowest quality. I have seen pics off the EVO and I would hardly say they are poor quality. I will also say though, that the iPhone 3Gs does take VERY nice pictures for a camera with no flash and not too many settings.
actually MP is only related to the size of the image one is able to store or capture. The true depth of quality comes from the lens or glass used and sensor that is doing the capture.
Glass will provide clarity while the sensor will provide the ability to grab n store that clarity.
But why tell people the details of the sensor or who made the glass and all the other camera need to know finer details when Prosumer world only wants to know the MP size?
It's easy to look like your product is high quality when you boast a high MP. Of course they can then cut corners on the glass n sensor saving the company money and 99% of comsumers aren't any more or less aware of the difference since they had no clue to begin with. Nore could really care less if the less is lens less then perfect with a weak depth of field. Or the sensor is sub par with a small capture area that is double up with software to make it look like it's grabbing more then it is.
Of course at the end of the day it's just a phone not a camera. :P
But to get back to the point MP is only 1 part of the 4 part equation to digital photos.
4th part being software that converts the raw data image to a raster format. Usually there is quality degeneration at this point to make the size reduction. How much loss depends on what the desired end results are wanted. Usually it's highly compressed to fit into a small space so the loss of quality if high.
Are you kidding me? Have you used this camera? I have the EVO and the picture quality is superior to any phone out there. Or are you just saying stuff?
haha... google it... funny thing to say for someone fighting their little heart out for an iphone.........
As much fun as it is to compare these 2 and I love my droid by the way - is: I'm locked in to it for the next 2 years & I would NEVER give up verizon for at&t... That would be like trading in a BMW for a Pinto...
The Apple sheep will line up to buy it as usual regardless of the fact that its not the best phone on the market. Why? Because thats what apple has them trained to believe. The Evo is without a question the best phone on the market and will be until Android releases the 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones later in the year. The iphone fails because 1) Locked into at&t 2) At&t is kiling unlimited data 3) The front camera can ONLY be used on wifi and not 3g 4) STILL no real multi-tasking 5) No flash 6) The SAME interface since the first iphone.
It amazes me how people keep buying those things just for a few improvements. They added 3g and sold it as a new phone... added video, copy & paste and sold it as the 3gs.. now this lol... SMH
So I guess the fact that the 4G EVO isn't really a 4G phone holds no bearing right? The fact that if you take the EVO across the Canadian border it stops working holds no bearing right? The fact that the EVO is exclusive to Sprint holds no bearing right? The fact that AT&T poured millions of dollars into R&D to determine how much data customers use has no bearing right? Finally...The fact that you don't even use teh iPhone and are trying to sound like a definitive expert has no bearing right? I guess the readers whoi jump on hear and follow your blind words would be led like what? Sheep maybe?
Even though AT&T might have spent millions of dollars on R&D they cap your data usage at 2GB a month. The EVO might be a 4G phone but it does switch to 3G and even 2G when it needs to. Now on to being exclusive no phone is exclusive to any carrier. You can buy the Iphone unlocked and flash it to any carrier. I have a 3GS on Tmobile also have the HTC HD2 on Sprint. Just to show you that its not all whats in black and white.
It amazes me when people don't have a clue.
The A4 chip > the ghetto snapdragon. Read up on it, seriously.
The iPhone is available in 88 countries, not just the US and is available on a large number of carriers outside of AT&T, just not on Verizon, thank god.
AT&T is still letting current customers retain unlimited data.
The front camera as a video phone can only be used on WiFi for 2010; Jobs himself said that with carrier improvements by 2011 it would be (the FacteTime app) available for cellular networks.
No real multi-tasking? Are you insane? Have you used the OS4 multitasking? It's better then ANY handsets multitasking out there.
No flash. LOL. Flash isn't available on any handset/mobile browser, etc. (Yea yea, there's a hacked beta version that's running on Android 2.2, but not only is it buggy as all hell, it doesn't support video codecs for streaming video. Stop drinking the adobe KOOL-AID).
The interface works, and works well because it's not just an interface, it's the operating system. An interface is just an overlay like the HTC Sense UI, and for the most part is just bloat.
What's great about your last statement is that when comparing video, cut, copy & paste, multitasking, etc. to other handsets, the iPhone has always come off doing it better then everyone else.
You probably still like the stylus.
Wow, you were a bit off a few times here. For one, the multitasking is still just quick task-switching. There is a difference. You won't be able to retain multiple windows to switch between the way you can on a computer or android device.
Secondly, actually even with android 1.5, every browser has fully functional flash. You can play intensive flash games, even.
Thirdly, saying iphone has always had better "video, cut, copy & paste, multitasking" is ridiculous since winmo/android users have been enjoying all of those for quite a while longer than what's been possible on the iphone. The first one had none of those while the alternatives at the time did. Android has full-blown multitasking, the possibility of having multiple clipboards, and has had video recording for longer.
We don't like the arrogance of Apple and its users.
Both Apple and Android are good platforms and have pros and cons. Android has the potential to make greater strides in the coming year.
Right now, Apple iPhone 4 is the device to beat, but really only because it is the newest... Android phones will come out in a few months that will match and potentially surpass Apple's phone.
I think this because, the open OS will provide opportunities for many developers, of hardware and software, to create things we haven't yet seen (like Apple did when it first introduced iPhone) and to further polish and refine the systems we have now.
It's the idea that more brains = more advanced (hence better) technology and products. And a lot more companies and people are working on Android than Apple.
I think the new iPhone 4 is cool and sounds like it works incredibly well. But of course that's to be expected, because what Apple really does and does extremely well (beyond marketing) is primp and polish, creating completely realized and refined devices. The iPhone 4 is a completed vision.
FYI - I currently have a Nexus One on T-Mobile (this phone is still right up there technologically (and it's six months old!) and the OS updates make it feel like I get a new phone every couple of months).
Look up multitasking, then get back to me. You're so far from right, it's amazing. When you have a moment (and can understand them) look into the developer API's that allow multiple application processes and then understand how their used in application development with the OS. It's better multitasking then Android could ever imagine.
The Flash plugin for Android is only new as of 2.2, the fact that it works on 1.5 doesn't mean it was always there, and like I said, is at best, horrible for streaming video. On an iPhone, i'll play real games, not 1999 'intensive' flash games. lol .. intensive flash games ... lol
I never said Apple 'always had better', I said specifically they didn't have it first, but what they did with it is better then anything WinMo, Android, RIM, etc has ever done. Maybe try taking a class on reading comprehension, it might help.
dont write anything if u dont know go check out NOKIA N900 it has flash and it does multitasking like no other phone does and u can look in all different windows when doing multitasking like computer.
Since the phone was just revealed no one has yet the os4 multi-tasking, so please get a clue and stop putting out bogus info, and get a real job, you apple jobber.
Apple has already established the iPhone as one of the ultimate "status symbols." The Android may be better, but everybody is still looking at the Android as a "wannabe" unfortunately.
IMO, only superficial people who look at technology as 'status sympols' rather than for their capablities think this way.
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It's the Apple culture that's brainwashed millions into thinking it's OK to overpay for tech if it has the Apple name on it.
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Pathetic. I don't buy devices for status - I buy them for their capabilities.
I take offense to your assertion that Apple users are a bunch of brainwashed sycophants. I, like many, many others buy, use, and enjoy Apple products because of the user experience. That is key. All of these products seamlessly integrate into this ecosystem with sublime ease. This is what Apple gets that no body else has yet. They don't just cram every available feature into a device so that it can win the war over who has the longest spec sheet. They work on an refine a technology so that when it is delivered, it feels and works extremely well. This differs from the 'perpetual Beta' that is Google and it's offerings.
As for the argument that Apple products are more expensive... that is utter nonsene. Equally equipped computers from other box assemblers (Dell, HP, etc) cost the same and sometime marginally higher than their Apple counter parts. When you add the included software, and TCO (total cost of ownership) the scales tip in Apple's favor. When it comes to mobile devices, iPhones are priced quite competitively. There is no reason to create a loss-leader and whore out your tech at 2for1 in a desperate grab at market share when the demand is there. Do your homework, son...
To hate on something just because it's 'cool' is a better definition for 'Pathetic'
Thanks for playing...
The only people who want the iphone are weak-willed Steve Job suckups. The rest of the world sees this fascist for who he is.
That comment is so full of ignorant BS, that it really isn't worthy of tearing apart. So, instead I will use this space to suggest you seek professional help.
Not sure if anyone really knows .. but Verizon was offered the contract long before AT&T. They just didn't want to share the costs of iTunes. So they said no, not Apple. As far as this debate, look into the tech specs first, winner .. iPhone .. then look into the carrier, winner ... not AT&T.
the resounding issue is do you want a phone with advanced features and resolution or a carrier that "fails less" .. notice the less part. All carriers are having issues. I do not have an iPhone, but I am looking at it seriously, because Verizon doesnt do true tethering.
No, I don't. never have, and never will. I will also never own an i-phone. I refuse to let a bunch of over priced tech and high marketing budgets tell me what's best. I love my droid, swithced from the 3Gs. All the same apps I used on the 3Gs, free tethering, music,live tv, full Flash suppot (Even though I dont have 2.2). On top of that Verizon has never drropped a call. Im good where I sit
I have the HTC Droid Eris, and it does do true tethering, I use it constantly. I would NEVER trade my droid for any Apple product, ever.
OK, so:
iPhone: 5 megapixel camera
EVO: 8 megapixel camera
iPhone: 720p video recording
EVO: 720p video recording
iPhone: No HDMI out
EVO: HDMI out
iPhone: video chat wifi ONLY with another iPhone 4
EVO: video chat (no only's)
iPhone: no expandable memory
EVO: expandable memory
iPhone: screen 3.5"
EVO: screen 4.3"
iPhone: 3g (with crappy network)
EVO: 4g
I'm sure there's more but I'm tired of being right. One thing iPhone's got: It's pretty.
I agree! Oh....
iPhone: capped data (for new users)
EVO: unlimited data
iPhone: hot spot capable (no)
EVO: hot spot capable (yes - for up to 8 devices)
iPhone: Fanboys (Yes)
EVO: Fanboys (No); at least not yet
Camera - EVO Photo's suck, could be 12 megapixels, it would still suck. lrn2photography pls
Video - EVO's HD video isn't true HD, it's also not that amazing.
HDMI out - EVO wins, sorta. Apple HDMI video cables are forthcoming. I've yet to need this functionality to begin with tho...
Video chat - If the EVO was as popular and consumed as much data as the iPhone, it would be limited to WiFi as well. Since only like 50 people are using the EVO to video chat, Sprint hasn't noticed yet.
Memory - Never have I once needed more then 32GB at once. Point, EVO though.
Screen - Size doesn't matter here, resolution does. Sorry iPhone 4 by a clear mile. Retina display combined with IS/LED technology blows the EVO away. Easily. lol
Network -
AT&T 3G ~ almost everywhere (faster then Sprints 3G).
**iPhone supports network standards that vastly exceed what the EVO can do, AT&T just isn't there yet (doesn't mean international carriers aren't).
Sprint's 4G isn't really 4G and is very limited to location. Soon as you drop to 3G you want to throw the EVO against a wall.
Just love it when the fan boys have to try and defend the crapple stuff. Sprint's 4G really isn't 4G? Really? No, you mean the 4G in the iPhony 4G isn't 4G, it stands for 4th generation. No Sprint's 4G isn't everywhere, but where there is 4G coverage, it's actually 4G. Even when AT&T decides to get 4G, you will still have to buy another iPhone because this one isn't even 4G ready.
I agree that EVO has better hardware (excluding the iPhone 4 "Retina" display and the looks which are better on an iPhone), but an iPhone is easier to use, its OS is much faster. The Android needs a phone like the EVO to show the app selection screen without any lag and the EVO has a 1 f-ing GHz processor, compared to the iPhone 2G's 412 MHz. Have you ever seen any iPhone lag? Not one.
Also the iPhone works on any carrier, you just need to jailbreak and unlock it. Jailbroken it is equally or ever more customizable than an Android phone.
iPhone's AppStore is much bigger than Android's although as someone said the ratio of interesting apps to total apps is smaller on the iPhone. But who cares about the ratio? There are still more good/interesting apps on the iPhone.
iPod Touch 2g owner
(Also I use Windows 7 Ultimate on a custom built PC and never had or will have a Mac. And i'm not a fucking Apple fanboy.)
Why are people so dumb? First, the new iPhone was announced yesterday, so how could anyone accurately compare the two phones without actually having one? Second, A Verizon iPhone would be stupid, the network Verizon uses is archaic and doesn't allow the iPhone to use all of it's advertised features. When Verizon unveils their LTE network (8-12 mbps), they will still be slower than AT&T HSPA+ (20 mbps). Watch Verizon become the red headed step child in one to two years!
Advantages of LTE over HSPA+
* Flexible Spectrum usage possible with LTE: LTE will be the same whether the bandwidth available is 5MHz or 20MHz. Ofcourse the data rate will increase when the BW is increased. With HSPA+ only 5MHz bandwidhts possible. Similalrly with HSPA+ only FDD mode of operation is possible whereas with LTE FDD or TDD mode is possible.
* Spectrum Effeciency: Better spectrum effeciency, by a factor of 2 atleast over HSPA+
* Simpler Architecture: LTE has a much simpler and relatively flat architecture compared to the legacy UMTS network in HSPA+
* Higher Data Rates: LTE gives DL data rates of 144Mbps and UL of 57Mbps. HSPA+ gives 42Mbps in DL and 11Mbps in UL
* Ultra Low Latency: 10ms instead of 50ms for HSPA+
* Short TTI: 0.5ms instead of 2ms for HSPA+
I would happily buy an iPhone TODAY if they were available for Verizon or some other carrier then AT&T. I had AT&T in the past and have no desire to go back. As good as these other products might be, iPhone could own the world if they allowed other carriers. I wouldn't go back to AT&T if the new iPhone included a successful inoculation for cancer.
Yes, you are correct. AT&T service absolutely SUCKS. I travel all over the country and have Sprint. My colleagues have AT&T and time and time again, they drop calls, have no service or slow speed while I am fine. No way I am getting an Iphone until offered by Sprint or Veerizon. AT&T SUCKS. Did i say that already?
The iPhone works on ANY carrier with a jailbreak and unlock. And who doesn't jailbreak? The iPhone with a jailbreak is 10 times better than one without it.
And also IT WORKS ON ANY FUCKING CARRIER. Did I say that already?
For work I have a HTC Incredible and for personal an IPhone.
The Incredible was a little more difficult to learn to use but once I got it down I'm ready to dump the IPhone.
I have always loved the iphone but just can't take AT&T's service.
A product is only as good as it's weakest link.
A few points...
1.) Why is everyone so quick to jump on the fact that Android outsold the iPhone in the first quarter of 2010? Of course they did. They released a slew of new phones, where as the iPhone 3GS was over 6 months old by then. Most people who know anything about Apple's marketing strategy knows that a new iPhone is released annually around summertime. Only a moron would want to by a phone that is about to be replaced by it's own maker.
2.) What is this about "no REAL multi-tasking?" It's already been announced that there will be multi-tasking in iOS4. This includes in-app texting, which is a big plus for a lot of people, including myself. And why does no one bring up the fact that Verizon is incapable of running phone calls and allowing android users to surf the web at the same time? Ouch, that stings, huh.
3.) In a world where technology literally advances by the day, it's hard to keep a phone at the top of the niche. The problem with Android's software is that it's open to many phone makers, making the OS itself limited. The iOS is built specifically for the iPhone, leaving Apple in control of how they build the iOS and the phone itself.
I've had hands on experience with both Android powered devices and several iPhones and the usability of the iPhone is clear away the easier. Until Google really comes out with something innovative and new, they're simply going to remain in Apple's gargantuan shadow. Apple has reinvented the wheel with the iPhone and until Google can make the wheel obsolete, it's never going to surpass the iPhone.
Android will continue to gain ground until they surpass apple in the only stronghold apple still uses as a selling point --- their app store.
The fact of the matter is, iPhone users will eat up the iPhone4, but android phones are released across all carriers, at a rate of three times more than apple releases their iphone.
People aren't pigeon holed into a single phone on a single network, and ultimately that will be where the android platform has the edge. With many different manufacturers putting out advanced hardware for the platform, android phones gain technological advancements monthly.
Apple will have to adapt more to androids plan, and soon, if they want to keep growing their market share.
I find it funny that you bring up the point of "Verizon is incapable of running phone calls and allowing andorid users to surf the web at the same time." I have the moto droid and do that all the time. My mom calls and asks me a question I just hide the phone screen and open up the browser. The fact is the commercials that claim Verizon can't do that are crap. They are untruthful and need to be pulled from the air.
I mean if you listen to commercials your kind of a dumb, the united states is notorious for lying straight to your face thru media...On another note i'd says thats ATTs way of saying fuck you to Verizon about their little "ATT coverage map commercial" cause ATT sued the shit out of Verizon for that commercial because it was pure false advertisement. And no im not defending ATT or Verizon personally i think they both blow as phone services, I've had both of them and all they really do is take your money, charge you more unnecessary money then tell you that you owe them more money. Not to meantion both of their customer services blow. My friend has had her verizon phone crash about 8 different times in the past 2 months and they told her "yeah we know this phone has problems and its messed up but we cant give you a different phone..." thats just ridiculous, thats like saying yeah we sold you a piece of shit, and we know we sold you a piece of shit now you deal with it.
This comment is for alex87. Get your facts straight buddy-boy. Yes, at&t did sue verizon, but their case was dismissed, due to the fact that verizon was usuing real and accurate information about at&t's coverage maps. In a nutshell at&t was laughed out of court.
All of the carriers out there have the capability to surf the web and make a call at the same time when using a 3G internet enabled phone. 3G is broadband, and allows for both at the same time, regardless of the carrier. I think both the Android phones out there and the iPhone are pretty capable of doing many things at once. There are pros and cons to all of the phones currently on the market. It really boils down to one's personal preference and need of use that determines which phone one chooses. I for example, chose carrier, then phone. When I first aquired a cell phone, I was with sprint. I quickly ran into problems with their service, and having mysterious charges show up on my bill. I switched to tmobile, and have been with them ever since(approximately 7 years now) and refuse to change. I have friends who have at&t, and have no complaints, same with friends on verizon. Because Im loyal to my chosen carrier, I went with the phones they have available, which are android based. I have the motorola cliq. I am quite happy with it. There are a few things I wish it had, such as flash and java support, but for the most part its a great phone, and I find that I very rarely have issues with the network. I have played with the iphone. Its quite an awesome phone, and their app store is pretty amazing. The cons to the iphone are really carrier related for me...at&t is pretty expensive. I pay $140/mo for 2 smartphones, unlimited calling/data/text. All in all, I dont think this is a battle that will ever be won, because with so many phone choices out there, people will pick and choose what suits them best. Everyone will have their favorite.
the only reason you are paying 140 a month for that service is the loyalty discount that t-mobile gives you. because if you were a new customer like me, you would pay 180 a month for same service. But i just switched back to t-mobile myself, and will not switch to another carrier, unless t-mobile goes under.
Actually pinguino, Im paying 140/month because I am not under contract. I am on the even more plus plans, which anyone can sign up for, regarless of length of time being a customer. You are paying 180/month because you are under contract or the even more plans. Im not getting any fancy discounts....I pay the same as anyone else. If you want to pay 140...you will have to wait until your contract is up, and then you can switch to the plan I am on...but keep in mind, because you are under contract, you get the phone discounts...I do not. Something to consider when your contract is up for renewal.
Hey skattrbrain, I think your userbame suits you since you cannot get your facts straight. You posted, "And why does no one bring up the fact that Verizon is incapable of running phone calls and allowing android users to surf the web at the same time? Ouch, that stings, huh" The fact of the matter is that you are wrong, the verizon andriod phones allow calling while surfing the web. So check yourself in the morning to see if your internal cpu is working properly!
LOl.. first of at&t Sucks balls.... wow big deal a new iphone... I'm not saying that it will not be able to hold up against android phones but the fact that its on at n suck is definelty a bummer but I will say I love my moto droid by Verizon and stacked up against the htc incredible, which my friend has, all in all it performs 100% better then any of the htc line of droids offered by verizon.. I also seem to find that its camera despite being only 5 mega pixels still seems to take better pictures then the htc incredible. the only pro about the incredible is android 2.2 which runs html flash
Yo Freak! I read all this bull and your bull is the only bull that helped me most. Keep up the good bull. Nice summary.
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Iphone4G blows. I guess consumers like Android and other 4g phones better than the iphone in a long run. :P
There's only a few new features anyway. Big whoop. Waste of money.
Just a little note, Apple makes a good computer, but theyre a total rip off, what I paid for my Macbook Pro I could have built a Hackintosh out of PC parts and Ran Snow leopard on it for half the price and twice the computing power. And the build would have ended up with about 8GB ram and atleast a quadcore I7 for like 15-1600 bucks...half the price of what it would cost to have a mac fitted with a similar build
i now have a driod after having that pile of crud know as an i phone who ever says droid shoud be worried is a fool infact i think im going to go find an iphone user and chike him for being so lame jk but iphoners are left in the dust by the droiders
I have a 3Gs. The thing I HATE HATE HATE is no Flash. I can't watch 98% of all video on the web. It's effing REDICULOUS. This alone is a very good reason why Android is going to blow Apple out of the water. Reason #2 is iTunes. I hate being FORCED to use iTunes.
Just so you know, even Microsoft has joined the anti Flash army. All of the CPU manufacturers and OS designers are vying for HTML5. It is better than Flash! It's just that the world has relied on Flash for so long it will take time for everyone to make the transfer.
I have a droid phone, the Motorola Cliq, on T-Mobile. It is AWESOME. Have had it for 1 month. I have never had a dropped call. Battery life is very good, even when running my music player and games. I have a 5 megapixel camera that is incredibly sharp, and there are a ton of apps that are available for download. The best thing about a droid is not being stuck with one carrier choice. I have unlimited data and texting for just $70. I now use PDAnet at home to access the net thru my phone, so that just saved me my home internet bill. My download speed thru using my phone as a modem was only 300 kb slower than Verizon Fios DSL. No complaints on my end at all. Apple has lost my businesss by choosing to limit itself to just one carrier.
im not big on making cracks or name calling, so with that in mind please read my comment with respect. I only like srpint because its unlimited everything for 99 a month, I love this because i never worry about going over, im a big fan of both phones, im more weary now because i bought into this palm pre crap and on my 8th phone now of this so called palm pre god I hope one of these new phones is offered through sprint, im sure the droid and I phone both have cool features and im sure both would be fun to own, unlike this Palm pre crap, dont buy one and stay far away from them, they are useless, I had to pay 299 for mine and got a 100 dollar rebate, now the stupid things are 99 bucks, worth 35.
I have been with sprint for about 4 years. I too bought the Palm Pre at the higher price and have had numerous problems. I am on number 3 and about to be on number 4. I would not buy another one or the palm pixi. I am waiting till october so i can get an android phone. I am very satisfied overall with sprint but not this phone.
First of all, I thought Android had a 9 percent share of the market, not 19 percent (I believe that's windows mobile). Second, why hasn't any of these so called experts given consumers any credit. I personally think that apple's first quarter numbers didn't beat android's for two reasons. First, the focus being placed on the iPad. Second, the speculation that a new iphone would be released in June, like every other year. Honestly, smart consumers are waiting till June 24th. If android really is the beast that this 'journalist' boasts, then they better beat apple over the ENTIRE year. First quarter doesn't mean anything if you get crushed the rest of the year, and I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
MOTO DROIDS EQUAL= ROCX OK.. BUT FOR REAL IPHONES SUCK LOL... THIS IS FOR YOU CHRIS YOU KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT... YOUR IPHONE SUCKS MONKYYYYYYYYYYYYY BALLSSSSS.. lol.. BUT I MY VERIZON UPGRADES IN A MONTH SO PLEASE MOTO COME OUT WITH A NEW DROID
Why are the hot ones always idiots. Or maybe it has something to do with being in the military. Too much emphasis on how to point and shoot, not enough real education. I hope you've got a good GI bill, cause you'll need it if you don't turn the military into a lifelong career!
"The Evo has an 8-megapixel camera (better than the iPhone 4's 5 megapixels"
Wrong. The EVO camera is not better because it is 8 vs 5 megapixel. Non-photographers need to quit making these kind of statements.
All these comments about Verizon vs AT&T, iPhone vs Android...This phone has not been released and everybody acts like they know the thing inside and out. The fact is 1) Had it not been for apple and heir iPhone cell phones would be still in the dark ages. 2)Apple has always been trend setting, anybody heard lately from IBM? 3) Apple has some of the most loyal customers anywhere and yes, i do have at&t while not the best company I have never had any problems with their service (and I still have unlimited data) there is no phone company that can claim to be the best all of them have issues (my wife has T-mobile and she always has problems my cousin has Verizon and they don't care for it. This feud seems pretty stupid. Anytime Apple comes out with something there's a huge line of haters wanting to bring them down.
>Apple has always been trend setting, anybody heard lately from IBM?
IBM's been the #1 patent producer for 17 years straight. Where's Apple ranked? Moreover, IBM's annual revenue ($94B) is more than double Apple's revenue ($43B). Just because IBM doesn't make a trendy mp3 player doesn't mean they aren't innovating.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2010/tc20100112_721346.htm
yeah...they've been busy selling enterprise services/devices to the whole world. which unfortunately, Apple can't even get a slight foothold in. while IBM is busy providing servers and other equipment to the whole world, Apple's XServe is virtually invisible and not even an option in these big multi-million/billion dollar companies worldwide. i bet they're mini (supposedly a tiny desktop server) sells more units than the XServe.
before you go calling out a company to compare with Apple...try to find out if you're going to shoot yourself in foot with what you write.
All in all what everyone has to understand is that the iphone is a great phone, but with Android phone touching bases on every carrier thats what makes them better. Hands down my T-Mobile G1 was by far one of the best phones I ever had. And on top of everything else Windows Mobile operating systems can now run Android. Android is the future, iphone had a long run.
I am using At&t without an iphone and I hate it. Verizon's service is so much better...I want the iphone but if I can't use Verizon I guess I need to go with an Android.
"Another issue is battery life. The Evo will use the battery faster than existing iPhones -- which aren't noted for their long charges -- and certainly faster than the iPhone 4, if Steve Jobs' claims are true. If you buy the Evo, make sure you leave room in your budget for an extra charging device."
This claim is not completely true. As stated earlier he uses Wi-Fi when at home. Unless he turns off the Wi-Fi every time he leaves the range of that hotspot then his phone will drain the battery at an exceptional rate trying to find another. I turn mine off everytime I leave the house and let the 3g do the work. Sure it's slower but overall I noticed the battery life of my Moto Droid go up a substantial amount.
The Reality is that Iphone users have been locked in their own little worlds the past few years and have become very pompis and snobish over their retarded phones and now that there is competition and everyone has the opprotunity to have an app or 2 on their phones Iphone users are now crying and whining needing the whole world to remember them and essentialy begging and pleeding to still be relevant, fact is Android is an open market operating systems allow for endless customization possibilities Iphones are drab and boring, sure the picture is great and there are a lot of apps but its all changing now HTC will make Apple its bitch when it comes to smartphones and the Incredible and the Evo are just the begining, Sorry Iphoners time to take your heads out and stop snubbing your noses at everyone else you are becoming irrelevant
The most important reason for buying an iPhone is Apple customer service and the great stores w/ bright staff. If the iPhone goes on you, they'll fix it or give you a new one, no questions asked. That's been my experience...
First off the iPhone does not suck. While many people have problems with AT&T service, you have to understand that they do have the largest network. In the area that I live in I rarely ever drop a call. I know that in larger cities people have problems with this, but I do not. I will say that I do like the phones that run the Droid OS, and when it comes time to buy a new phone I will shop around. However, it will be hard for me to switch because I work with people who have a Droid phone and AT&T's 3G network IS faster and since I don't have any issues with dropped calls I have no reason to buy a phone with the Droid OS.
I worked for att and they do not have the largest network, I know this because i have first-hand knowledge of their coverage maps.
What I find funny about whether to be Pro iPhone Or Pro Android is that it seems that most of the people that are posting comments on this article are Pro Google or Android. It appears that most are praising how good the Android phones are but yet 99% of the phones that are being compared to the iPhone are not designed, engineered, or manufactured by Google. Are we comparing an OS? Are we comparing a Device? Alot of you say that Google and the Android Platform is going to outsell the iPhone, but lets not forget. The iPhone is Desinged and Engineered by Apple, Apple also writes the OS so I personally would consider the fact that
A: The iphone is one phone Designed by Apple
B: The OS only runs on ONE handset not many like the Android OS
Lets Picture 20 different Device Manufacturers making a device that runs the iPhone OS.
Lets Picture all of the major Cellular Carriers in the US carrying a phone that runs iPhone OS.
Look at how well the actual Google Phone (G1) did in comparason to the iPhone. Google is a Software company.... If Android was the "Best" then why is Google giving their employees a New Mac OR a Linux based PC as they take out the Windows computers in the Corp Head Quarters because of a security breach.
Apple is both a HARDWARE and SOFTWARE Company.
Once we see the iPhone migrate to other Cellular Networks. We will truely see how much people actually love the Android Platform and who switches to the iPhone.
even if they threw in Steve Jobs for free with the new iphone with a new 2 year contract, i would still not buy an iphone.
Yes, I love iPhone but only because I have it with T-Mobile. Have it for over a year and I have not had any problems or dropped calls at all. If the only choice with the iPhone was AT&T, then I don't want the iPhone.
well i'm sure many of the Verizon hopefuls (myself included) are using their upgrade they had been saving to go ahead and get the droids. there will be some who will wait it out, and stare at the carrot dangling in front of them. i personally am not going to be getting the droid just yet. i'm going to wait a bit longer and see what else pops up for verizon in the next year. i'm completely happy with my handy little sway. it makes and receives calls, and i can play monopoly on it. and i think the verizon loyals would rather know they will have service, rather than have the shiny new trinket, but not be able to use it when the need to.
Incorrect. It's going to be a new feature in one of the new AT&T unlimited plans for an HTC Prodigious.
If you look up iphone in the dictionary, you find that the definition is cruel and unusual punishment.
Apple is becoming the ruthless, control-freak, fascist, litigious kind of company people used to accuse Microsoft of being. Who wants to be a part of that? At least Billy-Boy is sprinkling his billions all over the world to help people--what is Stevie doing?
"Stevie" has created an OS that is virtually devoid of problems as compared to Windows. I've never heard a single person complain that their Mac crashed- can you say that about PCs? Apple is the only way to go, regardless of whether or not they are trying to monopolize the industry (if that were to happen, the world would be a better place anyway).
My friend actually had his Mac crash due to a virus. He had to go deep into the OS and manually remove it since there are virtually no virus removal tools out there for Apple products. I'm sorry, Apple is not the only way to go in this technological age. Don't forget Linux and Unix are also out there for the ones that don't care for Windows.
I know someone who used to make his living, and please do not buy into the hype, because he has first-hand knowledge that macs crash and get viruses just as much as the pc. The reason you do not hear more stories about this is because apple did not previously enjoy the market share that it now enjoys. Over time you will have just as many issues with a mac.
It is interesting that Steve-o's last name is jobs, because with all the in-house heavy-handedness, he sure is not creating as many jobs as ole billy-bob.
I would probably have an iPhone, as I have purchased my first Apple computer this year (MacBook Pro) and really like it. However, the fact that the they are exclusively tied into ATT bothers me, and I don't feel like changing vendors (again!) just to get a phone. This exclusivity just seems wrong. I mean, how many more iPhones would be sold if a couple of other vendors carried them?
The macbook pro is exclusively tied into apple, why does that not bother you? just kidding, i'm with ya all the way.
Want to make real change instead of just crying about the mediocre Internet service in this country? Stop the sell-out! Protect the open Internet and promote universal access...
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to the AT&T people vs Verizon, teabaggers or otherwise...Verizon service is certainly better, however they are overcharging for it. I know several people waiting for contracts to run out just to leave Verizon. One person even said, "so I drop a call, I don't care. I'm not paying those monthly 3G and 4G Verizon is charging'
Iphone 4G is a nice device but I switched over to Sprint HTC EVO 4G because ATT no longer has unlimited date plans. Good luck to iphone users when you skype and use the new features and get your ATT bill. so far the HTC EVO 4G is working out great.
Androids share is 9%, not 19% as stated in this article
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/iphone-vs-android-report-finds-apple-has-three-times-googles/
Besides all these pros and cons. Who cares what features it has? Its a phone. Just use it to call people.
Bottom line is all Verizon customers are upset at the fact that the iPhone is STILL under exclusive contract with AT&T. If Apple released the iPhone on the Verizon company EVERYBODY would be dropping their Droid phone for the iPhone. It seems like only Verizon customers are upset.
This isn't true. I've been saying since the iPhone came out that I would never own one. Even if Verizon or any other carrier would start to sell the iPhone I would ignore it for my Android phone without a thought.
I agree completely. If only for the reason of having an open operating system, that doesn't require you to use a certain brand of software for every function.
Bottom line, is don't think to speak for me you arrogant jerk, i am a verizon and a t-mobile customer and could not care less if the iphone comes to other networks. bottom line, I hate the iphone and am not getting one.
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Apple vs Microsft
Apple locked in OS and hardware with splashy success and a lot of hype. Microsoft plodded along and evolved and created a basic OS with a lot of hardware development from vendors. Who will be around longer? I say Microsoft.
In PC to PC battle winner is microsoft.
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Apple versus Google(HTC, Moto, Palm/HP, Microsoft, Nokia)
Apple creates a innovative OS and Phone with a locked closed system.
Google creates a Phone OS and opens it up for development by multiple hardware platforms.
Its the same cycle.
Apple may think itself a leader and it is. But its also its own worst enemy. Create a platform and license to get it development faster and better over the long run. They learned the lesson once, when they started using intel chips.
I can see Android in TVs, Cars, Planes, Laptops, Fridges, Etc. All major phone players are coming out with new phones, touch or with keyboard, every year. So you may see 4-10 new phones each one vs 1 new phone every 2 years. Is that quantity vs quality, maybe, but I also think that Moto/Nokia/HTC also know how you make very good phones.
So in 10 years we will look back and say what a niche player Apple is in the phone market.
Why are you all arguing over something as trivial as rival cell phones? If their was ever a point I felt that the human species had no right to survive in the world; this was it.
My God people, it's a phone.
Despite your name skattrbrain, you're one of the only people posting with intelligent responses.
A few years ago, I was totally against Apple. I couldn't stand the company and hated their products, but I didn't know why. When the first iPhone came out, I laughed at everyone I saw with one. They praised it and I did just the opposite, again for no apparent reason. I never had an iPod and refused to buy one...Up until the iPod Touch (not iTouch people)...
As someone employed by the IT Industry, I could appreciate the quality and reliability of the OS. It didn't crash, the videos on it were amazing and there were thousands and thousands of applications available. Nothing else on the market was like it...well except for the iPhone...
At the time, I was a Verizon customer and said I would never change to AT&T, no matter what. I was actually using a Samsung smartphone with WMWifiRouter (check it out for anyone using Windows Mobile) to connect the iPod Touch to the internet while on the road. I had Pandora running on the iPod while connected to the Samsung. Almost never lost signal.
But as I used the iPod more and more, I decided to go with the iPhone so I sold the Samsung and the iPod, cancelled my Verizon service and bought the iPhone 3G. Other than the AT&T service, I wasn't let down. Yeah multi-tasking and a few other things would have been nice, but I was happy with what I had.
When the 3GS came along, it was a huge disappointment. Yes, even as a die hard Apple fan, I can admit that it made me almost steer away from the iPhone. It was much faster, but there was little change from the 3G.
As the Android phones came out, they started catching up to the features available on the iPhone. But like I said before, the OS wasn't as smooth or as stable as the iPhone. Yes, half of my friends have iPhones and the other half have Android phones and I've seen those phones lock up or do other crazy things (one of my friends have a Storm...no comment necessary)...
But it's taken cell phone companies around 3 years to catch up and even now, they haven't passed the iPhone in quality. The OS and Safari are smooth, it's extremely easy to use and the exterior of the phone is extremely strong. Most, if not all of the Android phones are made with some type of plastic which is easily breakable. A friend of mine (in a drunken state), smashed his iPhone on the ground and against a curb, shattered the glass and he still had no problem using it the next day. Yes there's no insurance, but who care's if it's that durable (unless it's stolen)...
I haven't had the luxury of testing the EVO and I'm against being biased, so I wont bad mouth it. The Android phones I have used run very well, but I still wouldn't say they're better than the iPhone. There is still a lot of catching up to do but once again, Apple has set the bar. Yes, the EVO has some of the same features and some better features but it's on Sprint. If you're going to say the iPhone is garbage because it's on the AT&T network, don't bring up the EVO either. I know many people that would gladly buy the iPhone if it came to Verizon, even current Android customers.
If you want to bad mouth the iPhone, go after the decision to make it only available to one carrier in the US. It's a dumb move consumer wise, but it's also a semi smart move business wise. Apple has AT&T by the *#)@&, and is trying to squeeze any amount of money out of them. But that only lasts so long until they start to loose customers.
In regards to AT&T's decision to rise the contract termination fee, it's almost like they know their exclusive contract is coming to an end and they're trying to lock in as many customers as possible. What does that mean? Possibly a Verizon contract. I can't wait to see the attitude change when current Verizon customers have the opportunity to buy the iPhone.
My last few comments are pretty controversial...Open Source OS...
Microsoft opened up their Operating System to allow PC manufacturers and Software Developers to build. As someone in IT, you understand that opening anything up enough for any company to develop causes bugs and failures. If you want to disprove this, respond to this thread with some VALID responses. As of right now, the quality of Open Source or Operating Systems like Windows are nowhere near as stable as OSX and iOS. This is exactly the reason why Steve Jobs decided to "lock" the iPhone down. He wants quality. He wants consumers to be happy and know they can rely on the iPhone. My 3 year old son knows how to turn on the phone, unlock it, navigate the OS, go into the App store, download free (sometimes paid) apps and play them. That would never happen on an Android phone or it would take a lot of work on my part.
Either you praise Apple for the quality of their devices or you hate them and cant wait for them to fail. I was one of them but I had no reason to be so against Apple. As an Apple fan, I spend my time praising their devices and I feel as if people who don't like Apple products, spend their time hating Apple. They don't praise their phones as much as they spend their time going against Apple.
Wait until the 24th to make a judgement on the new iPhone. I try to be as unbiased as possible and until then, I won't say it's totally amazing...But I do have confidence that they really did it again...
ok, heres the thing, the iphone is overpriced, and also not to mention sometimes hard to use, plus steve jobs had trouble with it in his speech!! he practically invented the thing and he cant work it, anlso droid owns iphone in every aspect, camera, network, KEYBOARD. I mean the key board is pretty hard to use, and it surprises me quite a bit actually how apple decided not to have a hard keyboard. The i phone is just one sided with no variety, to tell you the truth, if i rly wanted to look at some one through my phone, id just go see them, plus how many other people do you know that have the i phone, and are in a wifi area, the skype sounds cool, but who has the an iphone and no computer???? The droids look cooler, work better, and i think the CEO of google,verizon,sprint,ect,ect can connet their droids to the internet with no problem. Thats my view, i dont care what you think, reply to this, since im hatin you can be too
You know, Verizon offers free unlimited skype to skype calling on the majority of its smartphones and does not require you to be connected to wi-fi.
The problem with the connection was unrelated to the iPhone. The WiFi network Steve connected to was overwhelmed by over 500 people at the same time, so he then asked people to disconnect from WiFi and everything worked flawlessly.
who cares if iphone or droid is better...korea had video cams for a while already with much better tech
Apple refuses to learn from history, especially their own. Apple refused to license their OS to outside vendors back in the 80's and Windows ended up taking over the market (and world). Now we have Apple refusing to distribute the iPhone on carriers other than AT&T, while Android outsold the iPhone last quarter. I predict that the Android will become the "Windows" platform of choice for the vast majority of smartphone users worldwide, unless Apple changes their strategy.
Look at Apple's Stock compared to Microsoft's...what goes up, must come down...
Microsoft brought technology to consumers and made it a necessity but has recently lacked with innovation. Apple failed to distribute their product to consumers but is now taking advantage of Microsoft's success in making consumers rely on technology by innovation.
iPod, iPod Touch, iPhone, revamped Mac line, iPad and one of my favorites: incorporating multi touch into their line of products. They didn't invent it but they are definitely slowly making it a necessity.
There is one thing that I agree with...If Apple doesn't distribute their product to other carriers in the US, they will eventually fail. They can only control AT&T for so long before it starts to hurt them and I think it's already starting.
Business wise, Apple is allowing Android phones to gain market share just to soak AT&T for all of the money they can. Jump ship before it sinks or you will sink with it.
Everyone can sit up here & say this phone is better than this phone & the same with the differences in providers. When in reality u will never find the perfect. There is & will never be that, every phone, every provider & every network is going to have it's pros & cons.
Coming from someone who has owned both an Android Phone and all of the iPhones. Android no way shape or form compares to an iPhone. Whether its on AT&T or not. The user interface is simply the best and the most easiest to use. So what if their adding features now that other products have had? just like every other Apple Product, they may wait to incorporate a said feature, but they'll do it 1000x better than what is being offered out there. I hated my Droid, I had it for a month and got rid of the piece of junk, the software not only was not the greatest and difficult to use, but the device itself was poorly built with the clear coating peeled (WITHIN A MONTH) and it shut down and failed to turn on whenever it wanted... And not to mention the Droid Marketplace was cluttered with JUNK, and made me be thankful for Apple only allowing certain things open to developers, there are things that should only be left to the Manufacture on these devices
i guess no one has noticed that the new iphone came out right after AT&T announced that they will no longer offer unlimited data plans. making people that get the new iphone stuck with a bigger phone bill in the end
Not exactly true. For some people, it will make their bill cheaper. Others will just have to use wifi SOMETIMES instead of having unlimited 3g for 30bucks. And the article also said to expect other carriers to quickly follow suit. Y bill will be cheaper!
Not if they already have the unlimited data plan. I already have it, so I'll be able upgrade my phone without changing my plan at all. Thats the beauty of a little thing called a CONTRACT.
EXPERIeNCED SMART PHONE USER FOR THAT PAST 6 YEARS.
From I have seen from the iphone, they are always behind on standard programs that should be on any smart phone. I have somehow always ended up with an HTC smartphone with WM and a I now have a new touchpro 2 (not android) and this thing blows away anything I seen from my friends iphones on the 90% of all levels.
Also, who are the fools that keep buying the iphone 1, 2, or 3 (same for the iPad) when you know that apple already has the next 2-3 generations of these products in the works and will release them typically 6-7 months after the last generation. They are sucking the money out of you "i got to have the popular phone NOW" people.
FOR ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY NEEDS A SMARTPHONE TO KEEP YOUR LIFE ORGANIZED (EMAIL, CALENDAR, TASKs, AND CONTACTS, among other things) AND SYNCED, USE WINDOWS MOBILE.
ALSO IPHONE USERS, HOWS THAT NON-FLASH TREATMENT WORKING FOR YOU. MY WINDOWS MOBILE PHONE CAN VIEW ANY, AND I MEAN ANY WEBPAGE OUT THERE. AND THE FLASH WORKS PERFECTLY UNLIKE STEVE JOBS SAYING IT IS VOLATILE.
I'm not a iphone hater, just hate that they truly are behind and are sucking money out of the people mentioned three paragraphs above. THINK, SHOP, AND COMPARE, I MEAN REALLY REALLY COMPARE before just buying something to be in the trend, cause you know your hot new iphone or ipad is going to be outdated before the year is over.
You're right. Your choice of phones depends on what you need it for. I had an htc touch before i got my iphone and it would have been great if i was an investment banker or some executive but most people aren't and they don't need to memorize 50 folders just to find where they downloaded a picture. It was ok for me but for most average phone users, like my wife, it was wayyyy too much. Iphone is still the best for the average all around smart phone user.
"who are the fools that keep buying the iphone 1, 2, or 3 (same for the iPad) when you know that apple already has the next 2-3 generations of these products in the works and will release them typically 6-7 months after the last generation"
You must not be that old or you would know this is how cell phones and ALL other technology is. Do you complain every year when a new laptop comes out?
For years, cell phone manufactures would come out with a new phone every year; usually not much different than the last...Motorola RAZR???
This is exactly what I'm talking about...Ignorance and you don't even mind displaying it...
Maybe you should shop and compare...Engadget, CNET and a bunch of others...Windows Mobile? I'd go webOS over Windows any day...
I personally opted away from both droid and iphones. I ended up with a Palm Pre after a glowing review from CNET.com No problems with it at all, I love it! I mean I don't know why anyone would want an "all touch" phone anyway. Even if it does have a "trendy" name brand attached to it! There are other choices out there, and you are absolutely correct, research and compare!
The problem is that palm is failing and will likely file bankruptcy in the next year, and when they fall, you will face the fact that android is the coolest thing since fried ice cream.
"...your hot new iphone or ipad is going to be outdated before the year is over."
And an Android phone is outdated after a month
Sounds like DRG1 has it right. People are so funny about this iphone vs the world thing. The vast majority of ppl that seem to comment against the iphone or apple appear to be angry because they don't have one(and are not in the club) like this guy MICHAELSCHLLR above me. How is camera, network, and keyboard every aspect?!! And "he(steve jobs) practically invented the thing and he can't work it!" My 3yr old can work my iphone so you MUST be like 80!! lol
The simple fact is that no other phone does everything the iphone does as smoothlyPERIOD. the article commented that droid has like 10 phones and each one seems to take one thing the iphone does and do it better. So basically you would have to buy all 10 and use them at the same time to get the plethora of great features the iphone has in one beautiful package. I would definitely rather 1 phone that does ten things at 90 percent than 1 phone that does one thing at 95%. plus has anybody ever jailbroken a droid and had full customization PLUS 1000's of FREE APPS?!?! I guess some people just don't like apple making them feel uncool:(
Try calling Apple support and saying "Help I jailbroke my iPhone and now something's wrong with it." I bet you would be laughed off the phone for idiocy.
You wouldn't need to call apple support. All you would need to do is restore the phone through iTunes. I don't know how many idiots who thought they could JB their phone hit the wrong button and unlocked it from AT&T. You know how I fixed it for them? I told them to restore the phone to factory settings in iTunes, then JB it again, but don't f*** with the BootNeuter!
I find it hilarious when people are afraid to JB their iPhone. It's easy, it's safe, it's WONDERFUL!
your comment is stupid. if there's something wrong with it. you just restore it through itunes and then it is UNjailbroken
edit: same as you said pano.. hah we must've posted simultaneously
The only thing subpar here is the android operating phones that are trying to compete with the iPhone. The technology that has been incorporated into the iPhone 4 surpasses all devices currently available in the US. I wouldn't compare these devices together if there is already a clear winner... the iPhone.
You have been hit in the head one too many times by a macbook, and it has left you punch-drunk
OH YEA, DO I HAVE TO MENTION THAT HTC IS SUING APPLE FOR, I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT THINGS NOW, THAT HTC HAS HAD ON THERE PHONES YEARS BEFORE THE IPHONE WAS EVEN A THOUGHT.
dimebag01, you have that backwards. APPLE is suing HTC for infringing on over 20 different patents owned by Apple
I'm a loyal iPhone user and they could make an android phone that brushes my teeth and combs my hair and does my taxes for me for all i care. There is one MAJOR reason why i will never ever switch and it is the one major iPhone feature that is NEVER mentioned in these comparisons ITUNES!!! Nothing else out there even comes close to it and there is not a snowballs chance in hell I'm EVER going to convert 100GB of music and 1TB of video to another program. Syncing and backing up music, videos, audiobooks, podcasts, apps and software updates via iTunes is a breeze and makes the phone SO much more worth it than any other phone.
Oh and the people who complain about AT&T, do your homework, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint do not have the network capability to handle the iPhone without having the same issues AT&T does. You'll quickly see the same thing as more and more droid phones hit the market and people start data draining the network. Oh and 4G for Verizon and Sprint is slower than AT&T's upgradable 3G network.
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Itunes compatibility is a must have for most including me! This comment should end the argument!
You are aware that Android phones are completely compatible with iTunes right? Plug it in a sync. All formats can be played. It even syncs your playlists.
"The big-screened Evo even comes with a kickstand, perhaps a first for a mobile phone".. wrong again dude. Verizon's HTC Imagio had a kickstand
Everyone just stands up for their phone and carrier. Arguing gets you know where. I have Sprint and cant remember the last time I dropped a call. Ask anyone you know on AT&T and they will say the service is terrible. I have heard it from many friends. Why AT&T customers can admit it to their friends but not to a website where they dont know anyone is beyond me. Where is the AT&T customer not afraid to admit their coverage is not good?
iPhones are cool, I will admit. I am not switching to AT&T to get one though. Getting the Evo in about a week. Not because its better (which from research it clearly APPEARS to be) but because its the best phone in my opinion on Sprint. I almost changed carriers from sprint to AT&T just for the iphone, that is absurd. And I think that is what everyone is so protective about, they are afraid to admit it. Just be humble, only the people that have had both truly know and that is still open to personal opinion.
Why do you argue about carriers when the iPhone works on ANY carrier (jailbroken and unlocked)?
The price of getting an iPhone in my Country equals a 1000 USD... thats fine, except there is no apple store here, dropped my first iPhone 3 months ago, had to sell it for less than 200... other thing iTunes dan Work here... its only available in countries like S.A how do i get applications...?
That sucks, but then why would buy the iPhone? CONSUMER RESPONSIBILITY. That was your mistake.
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Everyone in this comments section should suck on my nuts. Thanks to the interwebs for bringing all the illiterate goons who know nothing about spelling or grammar and billboarding them up for all to see. Do the world a favor and learn something about the English language before you embarass yourself by pretending to be educated enough to have an opinion.
seriously
idiot! 2 days in a row.. android is an operating system. iphone is a phone with an operating system. how do they pay u to be so fucking stupid. do u anything about any of this stuff
Okay...so I dont care about the rest of you, but my motorola droid rocks my socks. All my friends think i have just the coolest phone. Iphone...thats great, but its not on verizon, yet! Plus APPLE is way too contoling! I love my PC! There are pros and cons about them both, but i personally enjoy my droid! And VERIZON! And windows on MY PC! Thank YOU very much!
I find it funny all this childish arguing instead of facts and figures. ( For those that use facts and figures nice) But seriously iphone sucks in a majority of places signal is horrible and I've seen many just become papers weights or have to be reset time and time again. Android doesn't have the longest history and needs some time to catch up. Either way neither phone is the best, especially since every month there's a new phone that's the "new iphone killer" iphone is just a phone it can call it's good. Until they stop designing new phones I don't think they'll ever be a "THE BEST ANDROID OR IPHONE," there will always be a new one better phone android or iphone doesn't matter.
You have to consider ATT's history the IPhone is the best thing that happened to this company since the 1st phone! This in of itself makes this company suck. When you look at these guys having a 100 year head start on Sprint, Verizon, and dare I even mention Cricket?! There shouldn't even be a comparison! But there is. Everybody I know that has ATT complains. For all you have to do to have and maintain a ATT contract isn't worth what you get. Sure I get dropped calls from time to time with Sprint but $200.00 for four (that's 1,2,3,4) phones with unlimited everything (better than cricket and boost) ATT can kiss my Grand Bell! They should be ashamed of themselves for squandering themselves for the last century!!
Well to get technical they didn't have a 100 year start on Verizon as the AT&T that exists today is not the old AT&T, it's just a brand-name. Technically Verizon is an old division of AT&T as Verizon was known as Atlantic Bell before they changed their name in 2000. Atlantic Bell is one of the 7 baby bells that the government made AT&T split up into back in the 80's.
and to jerk off tendo? they dont make the nexus one anymore you fucking retarted moron!!! the nexus one???? idiot
Why do so many of these comments sound so bitter and personal? Any of you people have significant investments in the involved companies/technology? Otherwise, they are STILL JUST TOYS! The percentage of people who actually utilize all their phone's functions is rather small. That being said, most of you sound a bit too invested to not BE invested...
P.S. -as for me- IPhone 3gS, and HTC touchpro 2(WinMo)...both AT&T with unlimited data, synced to the same HP G60 laptop. IPhone 3gS much better for regular life, TP2 for the mobile mogul in me.
useless app. all you gotta do is turn the phone on. and the all ready have apps that let you use your phone as a flash light. or in my case i use the flash on my phones camera.
My iPhone screen works fine as a flashlight, I don't need an app to boost brightness in true white or color.
The whole iphone vs android phones is getting a little crazy! I personally have android based phones. For the things I like to do with a phone it suits me just great. Jailbreaking a phone just doesn't allow a person to do enough with it, rooting an android phone on the other hand opens up a whole new world. If you are into development and such. Another reason I haven't gotten an iphone is because to me, they all look the same. The iPad, iPod, and iPhone.... they don't stand apart from each other, with the exception of the iPhone 4 looking a little different.
The other thing that's kept me away from iPhones is AT&T. Yea, they used to have a good package for the iPhone and all that, but now you guys are gonna be constantly complaining. What kind of phone company puts a data limit of 2gb/month on the all time best selling phone? Anybody that spends any amount of time on the internet on their phone is going to go over that limit in no time and will then be paying an arm and a leg for the data overage. I have an AirCard with Sprint and I went over my 5gb cap fairly early in the billing cycle one month, let me tell you that was a ridiculous bill. And for those of you that may think it won't affect you, only new contract customers. Just wait until you upgrade to the iPhone 4, that unlimited data you have now will be gone and the 1 or 2gb capped data plan will be forced upon you!
Just gonna reply to the last little bit there. If an AT&T customer has the smartphone unlimited data plan already, when they upgrade, whether its from iPhone to iPhone, Blackberry to Blackberry, Palm to Motorola, iPhone to Blackberry, Blackberry to iPhone, Palm to iPhone, Motorola to Blackberry, or Motorola to iPhone, or any other combination you could name, they can keep the unlimited data plan. Read up on what you are slamming, otherwise you are exactly the kind of person you are slamming, a "sheeple." Only new smartphone customers will have to choose one of the tiered plans. Which these are not "capped" plans in the sense most people think. You can go over the "cap", you just get charged overage. This is really a smart business plan, and one used widely in MANY industries. I am charged by my power company for how much electricity I use, same for the water company, when I put gas in my car I am charged for how much gas I put in it. Why should I pay for more than I am using? I dont with many other things. Yes my minute plan includes minutes I will probably never use, even with Rollover. My average data usage for the past year (since I got my iPhone 3G) has been 286MB a month, I am considering moving down to the DataPro plan (2MB/$25) but am waiting til I get my iPhone 4. Which I am getting not because I am an Apple fanboy, which I am not, the only Apple product I have is my iPhone, but because I have tried the competitor with MORE marketshare, Blackberry. I have played with Android devices, too many menus for me. I like the iOS plain and simple. Is it right for everyone? The answer to that is a resounding and emphatic "NO!" Some people just dont like it and thats fine. But research your claims before spouting off like a harpooned whale.
(my grammar and punctuation sucks, I apologize)
@ psaml127 i sell everything from verizon to at&t sprint and nextel , i myself do use verizon and they do work great but some times they do have one or two dropped calls but i also use to have att and yes they do suck ass , but i would tell all my family and friends about verizon since they are realy good at helping there users out
What carrier works best is totally location based. In Seattle AT&T is the best, Tmob drops constantly. My partner would lose reception in our apt all the time, for hours at a time! CONSUMER RESPONSIBILITY, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
As to which one works best in a given area is debatable, one should diligently study the voice and data coverage maps to get a clear idea of where the phone will work and where it will not, I just recently went back to t-mobile, i considered many of the phones offered, i looked at the pricing structure, i looked at the coverage maps, and i finally decided upon the nokia nuron, which im my opinion is one of the best fully touchscreen phones on the market. this phone is extremely sensitive to the touch and makes typing on the virtual keyboard an absolute breeze, in short i love this phone.
i will give apple one thing. they do have good products. but that is as far as it goes. the support for said products,is CRAP. as a former apple customer tech support rep. I can safely say that, if they keep up with their current way of support they will fail again. apple intentionally bricks their products through updates and make people buy the apple care package just to find out that they can't do anything until the engineers come out with another update to fix their screw up.
then on top of that the devices them selves will have know issues like parts of the screen quit responding to touch and all apple does is say too bad buy a new one. while working for the support dept. most of the information i came across was from google. they won't tell you this but that is what they make the support staff use,GOOGLE! i mean come on they don't even come up with most of their ideas for fixes, other customers do. For those of you long time apple fans that will say many cruel things in response to this just remember. last summer when iphones across the nation were mysteriously not coming back on from standby. that was all apple and their iphone 3.0 software update. it took 3 months for them to fix it. for all you nay sayers still, how about the easy to crack screens. you drop them on carpet from about a foot up, and it shatters. i have seen this happen, carpet for god's sakes. all apple will do is say sorry buy a new one. only best buy offered any kind of warranty worth purchasing. they would replace the phone no questions asked. as long as you had the best buy warranty. apple wouldn't do that for you, and neither would your prescious AT&t.
I've been a Mac user since 1989, when I graduated high school I decided to buy a PC cause it was cheap. I will never go back to PC, and I have NEVER had an issue with any of my Apple products that I wasn't able to fix myself. I will reiterate what I said below. Consumer's need to do their homework, purchase intelligently, and take responsibility for their own stupidity. That being said, I know several people here is Seattle who had issues with their iPhones took them to the MacStore and got new ones handed right to them then and there, free. It's all in how you approach the sales/customer service person. If you approach them angry and give them a hard time, they won't want to help you and will give you the run around because whether they change out your phone for free is up to their discretion. They do however have a cap, so if they say no, try again with someone else.
This is the same crap as Mac or PC... I work for a US Carrier as tech support and I can tell you... Most.... NOT ALL people that have any sort of smart phone should go back to their dumb phone as they do not have the tech sense or IQ to operate one whether it's Apple or Android. That being said, every carrier has it's strengths and short comings.. I myself like the carrier I have and would not switch to the one I work for... no matter what deal they offered.. So as far as I'm concerned it's like politics.. You are what you are and no one is going to persuade you to change until you are fed up or ready to try something different.. good luck to you all..
First off - both are great phones, but there are two very different things about the phones that skew who belongs at the top of the list. For me - it's the iPhone. It's super simple to use. You can pick it up, make a call and figure out other basic functions and navigation almost instantly. The Android phones aren't as intuitive and what might work on one, may not on another. However, they give consumers a choice and are redefining what it means to interact with and use a smartphone.
tell that to all the elderly citizens that would call apple to get help on how to use their iphones because they snotty little grandchildren talked and whined untill they got one. Or tell that to all the people who call because they didn't know they needed an up to date computer in order to get the phone to start working if they didn't have att set i up for them. heck tell that to the people who called me wondering why the brand new iphone will not power a day or two after getting it because they don't know how to charge it, or even that you are suppose to charge it, and they already threw out the cables that came with the phone because they thought i don't need these i have an iphone it can do anything
If someone buys a phone without doing their homework or throws out accessories that come with their phone, it's their own f'ing fault. Consumers need to accept some responsibility for their own stupidity! Has anyone seen the new Hershey wrapper? It has instructions on how to open it. It's an f'ing candybar, come on people!
panophilorian. what you say is true. even in the army we had instructions that are so easy that a retard with a four x six board sticking out of their skull can understand. after all the claymore mine does say on one side. "THIS SIDE TOWARD ENEMY" but that still does not excuse them for being stupid and buying something that is suppose to be easy and intuitive to use, when it isn't
I agree it doesn't seem the Android phones have much to worry about until Apple decides to take the iPhone to at least one more carrier. Sure, Android is basically dead on AT&T, but otherwise it's beginning to reign.
http://www.professorhobo.com/2010/05/31/benefits
Do people even read the topic before they post their comments? Are we comparing hardware or OS? Google Android vs Apple iOS is purely personal preference especially if you are a developer cause you can write the same good code on either OS! Android is in my opinion more superior simply because you can do development on multiple platforms while iOS apps can only be developed with the Apple platforms running only Snow Leopard! You cannot even use older Leopard OS to do development for LOL!
As far as hardware, iPhone 4G does look pretty good if you compare it with older Android phones, but the newer Samsung, HTC Evo/Incredible are way faster smart phones. BTW - you can modify Android to load on iPhones and similarly the iOS can be mod to load on HTC phones so for those Apple fans... YES there are better choices out there!
Its just funny that MOST of the people that makes comments and bitches all the time are from other carriers and that dont have an IPHONE. I think everyone should shut the F*k up and be happy if you got an android on verizon. Dont Worry be happy! Iphone and att customers are just fine you dont see them blogging shit about other carriers or phones? You know why? Cuz they dont give a F*K cuz they are happy with theirs! Apple doesnt care if android phones sell more then iphones...neither does apple customers. Iphone customers stay in your own corner and Android customers stay in yours. FYI when the new IPHONE releases you will see yet again tons and tons of people getting it and all the hype...i dont see that in any other phones comming out. I personally have the iphone for a few reasons. 1 is that i like the notion of talking while getting directions and reading emails. 2 the phone doesnt run on WINDOWS! I was actually on VZN before the original iphone came out and i switched. ATT network is really really faster. I dont think Vzn can handle all the iphone customers using their data anyways. I do like the HTC from TMOBILE...I might get one to unlock to switch on and off with my iphone! Live free Be happy!
i refuse to buy an iphone because apple sucks. they have nice products when they work. just like the microsoft xbox 360 it's fun untill it bricks and they tell you sorry that fault is not covered by warranty even though it is a know issue. thanks for buying apple and have a great day. if you are wondering how i know this see my previous post
My pwnaged iPhone on AT&T is so much > any droid on any other network! Friend has a droid on Tmob and hates it, lover was on Tmob until he grew envious of my iPhone and switched to a 3Gs on AT&T (his reception has improved greatly!) And for those of you who are biased against AT&T for whatever ridiculous reason, the Apple contract is up in 2012. By then we'll probably be on 5G, shooting 1080p video from 10mp LED flash cameras and a jailbroken iPhone will still have quadruple the possibilities of any other smartphone available. BT-f'ing-W, STOP calling it iPhone4G, it's iPhoneHD, it doesn't run on 4G network it has an HD screen. So many f'ing idiots keep telling me it's running on 4G network cause other people are referring to it as 4G(4th Generation). Just say what it is, iPhoneHD!
Thanks, I was working all day yesterday, I didn't realize they traded the HD for 4, cause in the original release I read two months ago, it was iPhoneHD.
All i can say is that I used to be on sprint. I dropped them because of their HORRIBLE customer service. Since then, i've been with att for the past 5 years, I never drop calls, and any time i've had a problem, their customer service has been a million times better than sprint.
I am a PC user, build my own, hate macs. Yet I have a jailbroken iphone that is customized beyond all recognition. I'm not an apple fanboy or any of that shit.. but from what i've seen with my jailbroken iphone, it blows away anything i've seen on any android phone.
oh, and anyone bitching about att dropping the unlimited data package, you're stupid. I use my iphone a ton, yet somehow, my highest month's data usage was 74MB. I just dropped to the 200MB/mo package and dropped $15 off my bill. Thanks AT&T
also, tethering has already been available on a jailbroken iphone for a long time.. it's nothing new to the iphone, you just have to be smart enough to hack your phone.
I Think u guys r all idiots..... Blackberry is the best...Just look around!!! Even Obama and most of the top CEOs use Blackberry, just growup guys...
the only reason they use them i because blackberry has a government contract, and they are cheaper and more stable than an iphone, for the most part. but remember this obama did have an iphone but the secret service made him give it up because of security reasons, it even made the news shortly after he was made president. now who is the idiot?
Why does it seem that there is a new ANDROID phone every week.Obiviously APPLE has done their research. They don't have to re-introduce their products. And where are all the BLACKBERRY and WINDOWS MOBILE users?
They are not Android phones. It is the Android operating system. Its just different phone technology companies like HTC for example came out with a new phone. It has nothing to do with research and reintroducing products. Its phone companies selling phones. Which is why iphone is on its 4th because other competitors are getting better all the time. Sounds like reintroducing anyways to me doesnt it?
Then why did apple have to make the iphone more like the droid phones? They all make a better phone, then another answers, then another. It called capitalism at its finest. By the way, iphone 4 means they have to reintroduce, just like everyone else. Just enjoy the competition everyone, and pick the phone and network best foor YOU! Go capitalism!
This, along with many Pro-Android articles, gets it wrong. AGAIN! Android is absolutely not in the same league as Apple and the iPhone 4 just proves this even more.
You honestly noted the Evo's Kickstand in the pro column for Android phones. Pshhh.
If I wanted a something large enough to set up on a stand and watch an "HD" movie on, I'd get an iPad or a laptop.
Android phones are missing a big part of what makes Apple...well, Apple. Software that is beautifully integrated with the hardware. Android phones are clunky, unattractive, lack-luster iClones. Name 1 innovation that any Android phone has brought to the table.
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....still waiting.
And I'm not talking about higher resolution, multitasking, fast processors or any of that crap. Anyone can take a product that already exists and advance individual components without adding something totally new.
I mean Apple single handedly created a new mulit-touch technology and made every other phone company struggle to keep up.
Face it, the iPhone is and will likely always be the front-runner in the race that they started in the first place.
Android users are just bitter. :)
The ONLY weakness for the iPhone is AT&T and hopefully that won't hold it back for too much longer. Because once it's on multiple networks...the Android will go the way of the laserdisk.
Bahaha!
you forgot that iphone customer service sucks. they make you pay to find out that your screwed until a new update comes out. or you have to buy a new phone because their mile long list of known issues is not covered by warranty, and they don't care that you paid 99 dollars or 700 dollars for their crap. as long as they get your money they don't care. hell apple is sueing some poor guy because he got a glass counter or step from one of the original apple stores that they were throwing out during a remodel. the poor guy got it from the constuction crew and used it as a counter till he got hitched and decided to sell it on ebay. now apple wants the counter or step back as well as damages for him taking it. somewhere in the excess of $100,000
And I'm not talking about higher resolution, multitasking, fast processors or any of that crap. Anyone can take a product that already exists and advance individual components without adding something totally new. Apple has done this for years.
I mean Apple single handedly stole a new mulit-touch technology and made every other phone company laugh at its failure to correctly implement it.
Face it, the iPhone is and will likely always be the rear-runner in the race that they entered.
Android users are just better. :)
The main weakness for the iPhone is AT&T and hopefully that won't hold it back for too much longer. Because if it's ever on multiple networks which most likely will never happen...the Android will continue to lead the way of innovation.
Bahaha!
Here I fixed this for you.
Sometimes i just dont get it, u dont need a super cellphone to be the best phone, and mostly u dont need a stupid phone with tons of apps to make a cell phone great, i'm a businessman, and trust me i had used many phone before, nokia, SE, HTC, HP, CSL, Samsung, iphone u name it.... and currently im using a N97 mini, HTC Desire,Iphone 3G and my new toy Blackberry Bold 9700... all with unlimited data plan, u know wat, i think if u talk about the best internet surfing, i think nothing can compare with iphone, the loading speed is uncompareble, but when it comes to connectivities, i think blackberry is the best, event they dont have much app like iphone or andriods phones, but u know wat, blackberry just the best for business, emails, facebook, tweet, messaging, battery life, anything... not the best, but better than any other phones in the market..
To be honest I think this article was very biased. I dont know what all the big deal is about which phone is the best. Choose what works best for you. Go to your local store and play around with them all. Each phone is going to have things that you like and things you dont like. One might have something the other doesnt and or vice versa. If the industry made one phone that did everything perfectly then there would be no room for a market. If Apple wants to only go with AT&T, then so be it. I dont own stock in either company so I really dont care if one makes better sales than the other company. My suggestion is to try the phones you like then weigh out the differences in which features you like the best and you can afford. That is my opinon; doesnt mean im right or wrong.
To say that the iPhone/att has network problems is relative and I believe to be accusations made mostly by people who have never owned an iPhone in the first place. Everyone that I've ever talked to or been around that owns an iPhone, this includes people all over the country or that have traveled all over the country, has had minimal if any problems at all with the network. I just bought the new EVO and, of course, have sprint and am consistently being either beaten in download speed and other areas or at the very best tying with any one of my friend's iPhones, this being observed over multiple runs on multiple occasions in multiple areas. Not to mention the sometimes laggy response I get from the phone or the calls on my network that are either getting dropped or any other problems in that area what have you. Before the EVO I owned the Palm Pre which was a sheer let down to say the least. The EVO's hardware is better and it's not as laggy as the Pre was and it doesn't have the same problems that the Pre did but the Pre was on the same level in download/upload speeds as the EVO which to me doesn't do the EVO any good. To reiterate what I said in the beginning, I believe that att can do some things to improve the network but in that case it and sprint, to me, from experience, are on the same level thus pushing the iPhone above these new android phones even with a so called handicap in its network. Other than supposed dropped calls, which every network experiences at one time or another, the iPhone does everything else with ease compared to the other phones I've seen matched against it, and if you're in a wifi friendly area, which is getting to be almost everywhere nowadays, you have nothing to worry about. I've been following these iPhone battles since the Samsung Instinct was 6 months from release 2 years ago, and yes I owned that as well, and since then all it's been is all talk and no walk from these competitors. I'm not speaking from a biased position because clearly I don't own an iPhone and also the fact that I've owned every so-called competitor to the iPhone that sprint can come out with and, as I've explained, it's been close but no cigar for them. That's not saying that android doesn't have the potential to match or somehow, someday outmatch the iPhone and apple but as of this very day and in the foreseeable future (4-6 months or so) if the EVO and the Incredible are the best that android has to offer, then there is cause for concern. For the record these professed tests earlier mentioned, both the Pre and EVO have been pitted against the iPhone 3G and the iPhone 3Gs, and both of the former phones were beat out by both of the latter phones, granted on separate occasions and at separate times saying as how I have changed from the Pre to the EVO. One last side note about the limited data plan situation/concern, some people are complaining about it but have you done your research? Because if you have or do eventually you'll notice that you only use enough data per month to stay within the bounds of the new $15 a month limited plan and even if you do use more, which would need to be considerably more, then you can settle for the $25 a month plan and if you happen to go over that, which as said before would have to be an amazing feat or you'd have to be the busiest news reporter on the planet, then you should be making enough to cover the extra $10 added on for overage and to get an extra 2GB of data for that month. Most people, the average person, on any network, only uses just under 200MB or even maybe a little more, we'll go with an error of approximately 190MB-290MB, which, because you've already gone over therefore you're paying the extra $15 a month for the extra 200MB which puts your data charges at $30 for at least that month of usage which happens to be the old price for unlimited anyway, and leaves you with about 110MB extra that you didn't use. Point is, before you go ranting and raving about something that doesn't sound good to you from a one sentence headline, do some research and maybe you'll realize that it's not such a bad idea after all, if only sprint and verizon would get in on something like that. (Even though sprint is the cheapest for unlimited plans)
having worked for att and sold iphones, from the first few days the iphone was out(I am referring to 1st generation iphone), we got a steady stream of calls from customers complaining about the iphone or needing in depth troubleshooting.
Okay this is kind of a bad thing in my eyes. I used my Droid for the first month and just by doing what most people would do, facebook, pandora, myspace, and looking up things online. I used 5GB of data. Now the way i see that is they are making $25 for the first 2GB, another $10 for 2 more GB, and last another $10 for 2 more GB. Now that leaves me at 6GB a month at a cost of $45. Now think of the logic in that??? I would be pretty stupid to switch for the iPhone when its going to cost me more to use it. Im not going to lie before i heard of AT&T's new data plans i was going to switch for the iPhone but not now, not when my voice plan is already going to be higher than it is now and on top of that be charged $15 more just for the data. iPhone is in deep shit now because they only offer it for AT&T, the sales of iPhones and iPad's are going to drop just for new customers now old customers will go for the new iPhone but i really dont see alot of new customers going for it.
someone needs to check their facts before they write an article. The Iphone has been compatible with tethering but the ATT network is just allowing it. They announced it already
Actually the fact is that there has never been a tethering compatible iphone until ip4 comes out.
actually. you're stupid. i've had tethering on my iphone for the past 6 months. all you have to do is jailbreak it
@kd0g
So you hack your phone and change code to allow something that the original developer didn't allow or include in the original program, and yet you call pinguino stupid?
It doesn't sound like they're stupid at all, but you're really judgmental.
The t-mobile android "my touch" is TOPS, it can do anything iphone can and better. The new version of 'mytouch' with slide is GREAT.
Swami Says,
I predict the iPhone 4 will suffer due to the data restrictions from at&t and competition from the Android series of phones. To resurge to their former level of dominance they will attempt to expand on their one great success from the iPhone 4 being "Facetime". Ready? "3-D Facetime"! Imagine being able to give your wife and kids a virtual hug and kiss from where ever you are in the world. Believe it or not this technology is already in the works. Check it out!
http://www.ndep.us/3-D-Teleconference
they didnt even say word one about the new android that Dell in coming out with. Its 5g and It'll work on pretty much all carriers and its da bomb
I'll take the last word. I have a Droid, my daughter has an IPhone... and pretty much they both do the same things. They both are offered virtually the same apps now. I've seen a few hiccups on both devices. If anything, Verizon seems to offer a better network than ATT, seeing how my daughter has a few coverage issues. And you can't fault Apple for that. I think you guys work for your respective mobile companies because I wouldn't know anyone else that would give such a dam n or loathe a mobile provider that much.
I was sad to hear that the new I-Phone4 has not only a glass finish on the front of the phone but also on the back. This type of glass finish is going to make it difficult for all apple fanboys to glue the plastic jewels on it from their Hanna Montana phone dress up kits. Luckily the sides are stainless steel so they can still glue them there.
Having formerly worked in Customer service for AT&T, I have to say that at&t sux donkey bols. When Verizon started advertising the comparison of att 3g coverage with their the information is 100% accurate. I can verify this because I worked for att. As a matter of fact AT&T has the worst amount of actual 3g data coverage of any major carrier. It is crazy to think that att's 3g data coverage is only slightly better than the amount of 3g data coverage that cricket offers.
So let me get this straight...there's a real discussion over which is better..the iphone or the droid? Really???? How many of you precious doofs have to be doing 3 or more things at one time? How many of you pretentious people just want a gadget? But don't use most of the features on your phone or know how? I find the adamant iphone/droid advocates amusing. Yes, I have a droid. I enjoy it. However, I also, remember one thing...it's a phone first. Not a miniature whatever you want it to be. Keep posting you silly people...I need the laughs.
Wow, lots of dissatisfied folks on here along with some venemous defenders of iPhone. I've had cell phones for nearly 20 years. iPhone for the past three. The phone isn't as good in the BlueTooth department as others, the 3G I have now is inferior in that area to my old original iPhone, except now I have stereo bluetooth. I even traded 3G phones to see if it would improve. The bluetooth is also inferior to my older phones of other makers. I miss my SprintPCS service, it was better than AT&T. Never had a dropped call, earlier evening free calling minutes, and better coverage when traveling. So it is a combination of things that make me like and dislike my iPhone. One thing they need to fix immediatly is the Data Plan. If they are going to start charging for excessive data usage, Apple needs to program the iPhone so users can shut off the Data access while in the United States, without shutting off the phone and the wireless portions of the phone. Currently it can only be shut down when out of the country, or by going into Airplane mode.
Huuuuuuaaarharharhar!
Quote from the article: "That last bit is called tethering, a feature the new iPhone is expected to have but Jobs didn't mention during his keynote."
That's because it's not a new feature. It has been in the iPhone a long time. Actually, I'm using it on my iPhone 3G which is 2 yrs old. What happened to journalism?
Wow I have never seen such crazy crap in my life. People getting all upset and arguing over a phone. Well use your phone to talk to people enough said. No wonder America is going down the crapper, My phone is better than you phone lmfao your all nuts. Get out and enjoy life and stop getting caught up in this crap. But I do enjoy the laughs so stay locked up in your houses or glued to your phones and post because they can't write a movie funnier then this shit.. Thank you all
Here is what I think. AT&T used to be a great phone service provider till they decided to take away unlimited data for all new customers. The iPhone is just an over priced phone that does the same if not less than my Droid. With that in mind. Why in the hell would I want and iPhone that if it breaks its going to cost more than the phone is worth to fix or get a new one when i could spend less on a phone running and Android OS and if it breaks its not hard or that much to get a new one. Plus Apple wants way to much for something that cost them pennies on the dollar to make.
HUUGE type-o and misleading quote:
"While Jobs cited a study by Nielsen at the company's World Wide Developer conference that shows the iPhone leading Android phones 28 percent to 19 percent in market share, he left out that Android phones outsold the iPhone in the first quarter."
WRONG! Apple is leading 28% to 19%. Its 28% to only 9%! Apple still has more than 3x Android's market share. And its 1 phone on a single carrier competing against an array of Android phones over pretty much every carrier.
ANDROID BE WARY!!
The only way to solve this debate is to get an iPhone on the VZW network. Not quite as fast as AT&T, but what good is a fast 3G network, when it is overloaded, and not as available as Sprint's or VZW's 3G. VZW will prove to everyone that their network can handle it. Just give em one. And AT&T ranks last in customer service and dropped calls among the four major U.S. carriers. Third parties JD power and Consumer reports did the research.
The debate should not even be about phones. The iPhone, Incredible, Nexus one, and EVO are all amazing phones. "Its the Network!"
OK, this is what it is.
The Iphone is the Best phone in the world ( if you like something else, or can't afford it that's a different issue ... )
The only problem it has is AT&T - The Worst Cellular company there is.
I think Iphone4 Rocks ( even before is in the Market all you people are talking already about it )
AT&T sucks and I wish Verizon had made a deal for the Iphone 4.
Too bad I heard Apple was asking for Too Much Money for their contract and AT&T was NOT gonna let them go since the Iphone is the best card they are playing with ( the best phone )
SO EVERYONE RELIZES APPLE COMES OUT WITH A PHONE THAT LAST FOR A YEAR PLUS WHILE U HAVE THESE HTC PHONES THAT COME OUT EVERY 1 1/2 TO 2 1/2 MONTHS WHICH CAUSES U TO WASTE MORE MONEY.. Y WASTE MONEY WHEN U DONT HAVE MONEY FOR UR SALE PHONE BILL. BUT CONTINUE TO BASH, BUT WHEN SUMONE MAKES A TRUE FACT U BASH THEM LIKE ITS A THREAT, CALM DOWN AND READ...... PROTECT UR KIDS THE SAME WAY U PROTECT UR PHONE.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU FROM ALL OF THE YELLING!! IT MUST BE THE FAILING EARPIECE FROM YOUR 1 YEAR OLD IPHONE!!! YOU SHOULD TAKE IT BACK TO AT&T TO GET IT FIXED UNDER YOUR SMARTPHONE INSURANCE PLAN!!
oh wait....
I'm guessing a lot of responders here got locked in their lockers in Junior High.
Google Aspergers Syndrome.
Who cares what phone is better? I personally like the iPhone better and I'll spend my money any way I choose. Why would anyone give a shit? It's my money. I don't mind supporting Apple products. I have a Macbook Pro, iPhone (soon to be upgraded to the new one) and the iPad (and I'll buy another one when Apple adds a camera to the next generation iPad as well). I can afford it. I like the iPhone and I really don't care if it cost $1000.00, I'd still buy it. If I like something, I buy it and that's all there is to it. If some of you don't like the iPhone then don't buy it. Period.
SOME OF YALL LITTLE boys THINK A KICK STAND IS A BIGGG STEP..... FOR ALL THE DUMB ASS'S THAT DONT GET IT, "ITS NEVER THE PHONE, ITS THE CARRIERS". THE I PHONE MIGHT BE A LITTLE FURTHER IT IT WAS ON 2 CARRIERS, BUT IT ISNT! THEN U HAVE THE INCREDIBLE AND EVO BOTH AMZING PHONES BUT U CANT SEE THERE FULL POTENTIAL UNTILL SUMONE DOES ACROSS THE BOARDER CARRIER COMPARISON TO STOP ALL THE BULL SHIT BICKERING.....
I'm still not sure why no one ever mentions one of my biggest gripes about the iPhone: if the battery dies completely, you have to send it back to them to replace. And it costs like 78 bucks for the privilege of having them do it for you. I want to replace my own damn battery. And leaving out the inconvenience of not having your phone for several weeks out of the equation for a moment, I don't want Apple to be able to see what I have on my phone, or risk getting a phone back to me which I have to put some or all my content back on, if they're anything like some of these e-readers I've had the misfortune of coming across. And from what I hear the iPad has the same problem.
My husband and I love our G1s and all their open-source goodness even two years later. I will be upgrading this summer when our contract is up for renewal and you can bet iPhone is not on the shopping list. I don't have a lot of dropouts with T-Mobile and I am attached to my phone for a living. I have been with them since switching from Verizon in 2004 and never looked back. I have also had plenty of experience in the last decade with AT&T, Sprint and Verizon due to family members always coming to me with their technical problems.
I work in computer software and I have to use Apple, Microsoft and other products so I have extensive experience with Apple, so to those who say that the Apple detractors are only haters because they haven't used them, I am here to officially buck that trend. All the Macs at the office crash all the fucking time, even more than the Windows Vista and Windows 7 machines do. Macs are not as secure and stable as the party line touts. Apple consists of control freaks masquerading as laid-back hipsters. There is no love lost between me and Microsoft either. I run Debian exclusively on all my home machines (we even resurrected an old broken Apple laptop we unfortunately inherited from my brother-in-law by wiping the drive and putting Debian on it) and if I didn't have to make sure our software worked on every platform I would never use Macs or Windows PCs at work either.
Apple's sex appeal doesn't impress me either. There are plenty of aftermarket components and accessories that can pretty up anything you've got these days. The snobbiness of some Apple users who think they're cooler than the rest of us is just sad. Apple sucks just as hard as Windows, they're both equally buttoned-up and evil and corporate. Stop trying to pretend to be anything but.
Long live Linux, Unix, Debian, Ubuntu and all things open source!
I have to agree here. Like Macs, the iPhone is all sealed up and you are at their mercy when it breaks. First thing I did with my Droid was up the memory and only paid $20 for 16g. Also bought a spare battery that I found on sale. My iPod is just about to hit the junk pile because it won't hold a charge and I don't want to spend the $85 to get it repaired. They've almost made it disposable but at $200 a pop!
Apple is not up to par just yet to compete with the Android phone. The iphone has to clear some hurdles with the handling, the battery life, and also with the reliability of the device. Also, it doesn't have any useful features that would render it an attractive alternate to the Android phone. And if you can afford the Android phone, you can't probably afford the new iphone 4. The screen is another issue Apple needs to face, to make it free of glare. And then, of course is the freedom to choose whatever provider you want when you want to use the phone itself. AT&T shouldn't have the entire right to the phone that Apple produces. T mobile should also have a piece of an iphone.
By what i see Verizon is doing the best out of all of them and what i mean by that is they are in a better financial situation then AT&T. I really think that verizon is going to get more business. People want better businass. I know that things happen with the company like they mess up your bill or something but everything will not be perfect.
The stuff below is some stuff I found on MSN a while back. And this stuff is true.
AT&T vs. Verizon: Which stock is better?
Comparing the 2
The competition between the two reminds me of the railroad battles of the 1800s. In the years after the Civil War, companies such as Union Pacific (UNP, news, msgs) and Great Northern waged a capital-intensive fight to open the American West, laying gleaming ribbons of steel and connecting the heartland to Pacific ports and the Asian economies beyond.
The leaders of this era fought to lower travel times by blasting through mountains, buying stronger steel rail and finding the fastest locomotives.
Today, Verizon and AT&T are investing heavily in their networks to accommodate the huge increase in data traffic required by the rise of the mobile Internet: Morgan Stanley estimates that global mobile data traffic will grow by a multiple of 39 over the next five years, mainly due to the rise of Internet video (blame YouTube). Already, networks are strained, with utilization in major markets reaching 90% of capacity at peak hours.
Given the funding needs to support this build-out, things such as network scale and technology and earnings power will be vital to success. That gives the two giants an edge over smaller rivals. But let's look at each in turn to see how Verizon and AT&T stack up against each other.
Verizon
AT&T
The network
Verizon has the upper hand here, with AT&T coming under frequent criticism for spotty coverage and lack of network capacity in urban areas that leads to dropped calls and other hiccups. The iPhone phenomenon bit the company here. As a result, it announced in January that it would spend an additional $2 billion to upgrade its network this year, bringing total 2010 spending to more than $19 billion.
One area AT&T is focusing on is supplying faster connections to its cell towers. Currently, 38% of its fastest 3G towers are fed by fiber-optic cable. The company expects this number to rise to 90% by 2011, which should alleviate some of the pressure that so annoys AT&T subscribers. Fiber offers connections speeds of up to 1 gigabit per second, or gbps, compared with the 18 megabits per second (a megabit is one-thousandth of a gigabit) that more common T1 connections top out at.
AT&T is also upgrading its existing 3G network to give it a significant speed edge over Verizon's 3G service. But Verizon is launching a big push to upgrade its 3G network to the faster 4G standard this year. The company plans to offer 4G service in up to 30 markets covering about 100 million people by the end of the year, with nationwide coverage by 2013. AT&T doesn't plan to launch its 4G offering until 2011.
In less technical terms: Verizon looks to keep the edge in speed.
Advantage: Verizon.
Earnings power (and life after iPhone)
Two big factors play into the profit potential of these two companies: device subsidies to keep the retail price of fancy phones low enough to attract interest, and the intense price competition brought on by low-cost competitors such as Boost Mobile.
The first point is another place where the iPhone's success has also been a liability. It costs the company $400 for each iPhone sold, compared with the $300 Verizon pays for each Droid it sells. Over a two-year contract window, both phones generate roughly the same amount of revenue. As a result, AT&T's operating margins fell from 41.2% before the latest iPhone launch to 38.5% afterward. Verizon maintains margins in the mid-40% range.
AT&T's iPhone deal is widely expected to end later this year, but analysts are already discounting the impact on the bottom line. David Barden at Merrill Lynch believes Verizon instead will see an earnings drag based on a cost of about $4 billion per year over the next three years to offer the iPhone to its customers. AT&T, for its part, would likely see an earnings boost.
But there are obvious strategic repercussions from AT&T losing its grip on the iPhone, which has been a huge draw. In the words of Deutsche Bank analyst Brett Feldman, AT&T's loss of iPhone exclusivity "is the most significant challenge confronting the company's wireless business as its success, or failure, at transitioning into a life after iPhone exclusivity will be the key factor in determining the trajectory of margins over the next several years."
As for price competition, both companies continue to spend heavily on marketing in order to avoid taking cuts to revenue. The pressure has been significant: Over the past two years, the price point for unlimited nationwide voice services has fallen by 50%. It's likely that both companies will be forced to move prices lower, especially after the 4G rollout is complete.
Advantage: Verizon.
By what i see Verizon is doing the best out of all of them and what i mean by that is they are in a better financial situation then AT&T. I really think that verizon is going to get more business. People want better businass. I know that things happen with the company like they mess up your bill or something but everything will not be perfect.
The stuff below is some stuff I found on MSN a while back. And this stuff is true.
AT&T vs. Verizon: Which stock is better?
Comparing the 2
The competition between the two reminds me of the railroad battles of the 1800s. In the years after the Civil War, companies such as Union Pacific (UNP, news, msgs) and Great Northern waged a capital-intensive fight to open the American West, laying gleaming ribbons of steel and connecting the heartland to Pacific ports and the Asian economies beyond.
The leaders of this era fought to lower travel times by blasting through mountains, buying stronger steel rail and finding the fastest locomotives.
Today, Verizon and AT&T are investing heavily in their networks to accommodate the huge increase in data traffic required by the rise of the mobile Internet: Morgan Stanley estimates that global mobile data traffic will grow by a multiple of 39 over the next five years, mainly due to the rise of Internet video (blame YouTube). Already, networks are strained, with utilization in major markets reaching 90% of capacity at peak hours.
Given the funding needs to support this build-out, things such as network scale and technology and earnings power will be vital to success. That gives the two giants an edge over smaller rivals. But let's look at each in turn to see how Verizon and AT&T stack up against each other.
Verizon
AT&T
The network
Verizon has the upper hand here, with AT&T coming under frequent criticism for spotty coverage and lack of network capacity in urban areas that leads to dropped calls and other hiccups. The iPhone phenomenon bit the company here. As a result, it announced in January that it would spend an additional $2 billion to upgrade its network this year, bringing total 2010 spending to more than $19 billion.
One area AT&T is focusing on is supplying faster connections to its cell towers. Currently, 38% of its fastest 3G towers are fed by fiber-optic cable. The company expects this number to rise to 90% by 2011, which should alleviate some of the pressure that so annoys AT&T subscribers. Fiber offers connections speeds of up to 1 gigabit per second, or gbps, compared with the 18 megabits per second (a megabit is one-thousandth of a gigabit) that more common T1 connections top out at.
AT&T is also upgrading its existing 3G network to give it a significant speed edge over Verizon's 3G service. But Verizon is launching a big push to upgrade its 3G network to the faster 4G standard this year. The company plans to offer 4G service in up to 30 markets covering about 100 million people by the end of the year, with nationwide coverage by 2013. AT&T doesn't plan to launch its 4G offering until 2011.
In less technical terms: Verizon looks to keep the edge in speed.
Advantage: Verizon.
Earnings power (and life after iPhone)
Two big factors play into the profit potential of these two companies: device subsidies to keep the retail price of fancy phones low enough to attract interest, and the intense price competition brought on by low-cost competitors such as Boost Mobile.
The first point is another place where the iPhone's success has also been a liability. It costs the company $400 for each iPhone sold, compared with the $300 Verizon pays for each Droid it sells. Over a two-year contract window, both phones generate roughly the same amount of revenue. As a result, AT&T's operating margins fell from 41.2% before the latest iPhone launch to 38.5% afterward. Verizon maintains margins in the mid-40% range.
AT&T's iPhone deal is widely expected to end later this year, but analysts are already discounting the impact on the bottom line. David Barden at Merrill Lynch believes Verizon instead will see an earnings drag based on a cost of about $4 billion per year over the next three years to offer the iPhone to its customers. AT&T, for its part, would likely see an earnings boost.
But there are obvious strategic repercussions from AT&T losing its grip on the iPhone, which has been a huge draw. In the words of Deutsche Bank analyst Brett Feldman, AT&T's loss of iPhone exclusivity "is the most significant challenge confronting the company's wireless business as its success, or failure, at transitioning into a life after iPhone exclusivity will be the key factor in determining the trajectory of margins over the next several years."
As for price competition, both companies continue to spend heavily on marketing in order to avoid taking cuts to revenue. The pressure has been significant: Over the past two years, the price point for unlimited nationwide voice services has fallen by 50%. It's likely that both companies will be forced to move prices lower, especially after the 4G rollout is complete.
Advantage: Verizon.
I live in the hills of Arkansas and I have AT&T and Verizon, which I have to say Verizon is the BEST BY FAR!!! It is faster and much more reliable, no dropped calls!!!
The Iphone is really nice device and apple is laughing all the way to the bank. Most of the new Android phones have all the features plus more and they are getting better and better with Androids open license. I cant wait to see how Google integrates all their other services into Android eventually. Apple will make a lot of money on the Iphone for a long time from the their fans but Android phones will eventually eclipse the Iphone in sales and the Iphone wont have the cool factor it has now. 60+ phones use Android and all carriers carry android phones and both numbers are increasing. Its just a matter of time when the Iphone is just another nice touch phone.
I have a HTC Hero and absolutely love it. I can't imagine buying an iphone now that I've had an Android phone. I've heard so many negative things about iphones from people who have them. I wouldn't trade my phone for anything. Long live Droid!
You kno what's funny about phones is that ever phone that come out is either compared to or built to try n compete with the iPhone but every phone has one or two capabilites that the iPhone doesn't then iPhone drops one more phone that has all of those capabilities n destroys the competition it's like basketball every player gets "compaired" to ...
We just published a new comparison for the HTC EVO and iPhone 4 and I think this may be the only Android based phone with a chance:
http://www.iphone-droid.com/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo-4g.aspx
Ok so it seems to me that everyone commenting on this article are fanboys of both android phones and iphones. I don't understand why this has to be a debate instead of just a neutral discussion.
To be honest, when the iphone came out and my friend got one I was wowed by it and everything it could do. To give credit where credit is due Apple really pushes to envelope with their innovation to make things better and more efficient. Apple has a good sense about the future and how products should be (sleek, slim, and efficient) but on the other hand there are other products out there that do all of that and maybe a little more sometimes.
Seems like a lot of you come on hear and unload a wave of negativity about this and that, but what really matters is finding a balance between the competition and basically agreeing to disagree.
iphone was the first amazing smartphone on the market so therefore Apple has a very loyal fanbase and thats great but unless you are actually able to know what went into making the product and fully understanding and utilizing all of the potential that the iphone or android phones have then you don't have any much of a say at all. I personally own a Motorola Droid and I think its great, I've never had any problems with Verizon on anything from pricing to network connectivity, does that mean Verizon is the best? No, that just means I've had no problems. I have never been with AT&T so I can't say much but I can say that it was a smart move to get a contract with Apple for their phone.
I think in a way the contract is hurting apple because loyalty or not you can't deny that android phones are a threat because of variety not only in phones but carriers. In the article it talks about features that android phones have vs iphone and vice versa but that doesn't cover any actual comparison. Unless all the android phones and all the iphones were on all the same carriers there's really no comparison at all that is fair and balanced. While I may own an android phone that doesn't mean I am a fanboy because I know that the iphone is what started it all with Apple's innovation and that played and still plays a huge part in why there are other amazing smartphones out there on the market. The iphone and Apple will always have their loyal fanbase and that is wonderful but change is what stimulates the future of technology some technologies borrow and some fade but there will always be a variety of products that come from others before it and there will be the few chosen that will stand out in a crowd.
To me having a smartphone isn't about the image, its about the amazing features it has and how it will better my life. Seems to me that a lot of you support iphones or droids based off of the image it gives you. Just stop with all the negative comments and "which is better" talk and just think about the fact that you even have a smartphone and all that it does for you on a daily basis.
I personally always look forward on what Apple will do or come out with because I know that it will stem competition and that always benefits the consumer.
Just be cool, relax and enjoy the ride.
Ok so it seems to me that everyone commenting on this article are fanboys of both android phones and iphones. I don't understand why this has to be a debate instead of just a neutral discussion.
To be honest, when the iphone came out and my friend got one I was wowed by it and everything it could do. To give credit where credit is due Apple really pushes to envelope with their innovation to make things better and more efficient. Apple has a good sense about the future and how products should be (sleek, slim, and efficient) but on the other hand there are other products out there that do all of that and maybe a little more sometimes.
Seems like a lot of you come on hear and unload a wave of negativity about this and that, but what really matters is finding a balance between the competition and basically agreeing to disagree.
iphone was the first amazing smartphone on the market so therefore Apple has a very loyal fanbase and thats great but unless you are actually able to know what went into making the product and fully understanding and utilizing all of the potential that the iphone or android phones have then you don't have any much of a say at all. I personally own a Motorola Droid and I think its great, I've never had any problems with Verizon on anything from pricing to network connectivity, does that mean Verizon is the best? No, that just means I've had no problems. I have never been with AT&T so I can't say much but I can say that it was a smart move to get a contract with Apple for their phone.
I think in a way the contract is hurting apple because loyalty or not you can't deny that android phones are a threat because of variety not only in phones but carriers. In the article it talks about features that android phones have vs iphone and vice versa but that doesn't cover any actual comparison. Unless all the android phones and all the iphones were on all the same carriers there's really no comparison at all that is fair and balanced. While I may own an android phone that doesn't mean I am a fanboy because I know that the iphone is what started it all with Apple's innovation and that played and still plays a huge part in why there are other amazing smartphones out there on the market. The iphone and Apple will always have their loyal fanbase and that is wonderful but change is what stimulates the future of technology some technologies borrow and some fade but there will always be a variety of products that come from others before it and there will be the few chosen that will stand out in a crowd.
To me having a smartphone isn't about the image, its about the amazing features it has and how it will better my life. Seems to me that a lot of you support iphones or droids based off of the image it gives you. Just stop with all the negative comments and "which is better" talk and just think about the fact that you even have a smartphone and all that it does for you on a daily basis.
I personally always look forward on what Apple will do or come out with because I know that it will stem competition and that always benefits the consumer.
Just be cool, relax and enjoy the ride.
I'm only posting for one reason, the unresearched comment that Android has outsold iPhone by 25% in the first quarter. There is a very simple reason for that, iPhone users, like myself, are sitting on expired contracts waiting for the release of this phone. My AT&T two year contract was up in last november on my 3G, I refused to get the 3GS because I knew the iPhone 4 was coming and I didn't want to get tied into a new two year contract and have to wait a year and a half to get the iPhone 4. Simple as that. Sales in for the next 3 quarters, will be double all Androids! I come from a large family who own a varity of phones from Blackberrys to Androids, and somehow it's my iPhone everyone is playing with, coincidental? I Think Not!
Keep trying Eric! The Android is not even close to iPhone 3Gs. Don't even think about overtaking the 4th Generation.
oh no.... no iphone for Verizon for a long while! sorry.
Ok so it seems to me that everyone commenting on this article are fanboys of both android phones and iphones. I don't understand why this has to be a debate instead of just a neutral discussion.
To be honest, when the iphone came out and my friend got one I was wowed by it and everything it could do. To give credit where credit is due Apple really pushes to envelope with their innovation to make things better and more efficient. Apple has a good sense about the future and how products should be (sleek, slim, and efficient) but on the other hand there are other products out there that do all of that and maybe a little more sometimes.
Seems like a lot of you come on hear and unload a wave of negativity about this and that, but what really matters is finding a balance between the competition and basically agreeing to disagree.
iphone was the first amazing smartphone on the market so therefore Apple has a very loyal fanbase and thats great but unless you are actually able to know what went into making the product and fully understanding and utilizing all of the potential that the iphone or android phones have then you don't have any much of a say at all. I personally own a Motorola Droid and I think its great, I've never had any problems with Verizon on anything from pricing to network connectivity, does that mean Verizon is the best? No, that just means I've had no problems. I have never been with AT&T so I can't say much but I can say that it was a smart move to get a contract with Apple for their phone.
I think in a way the contract is hurting apple because loyalty or not you can't deny that android phones are a threat because of variety not only in phones but carriers. In the article it talks about features that android phones have vs iphone and vice versa but that doesn't cover any actual comparison. Unless all the android phones and all the iphones were on all the same carriers there's really no comparison at all that is fair and balanced. While I may own an android phone that doesn't mean I am a fanboy because I know that the iphone is what started it all with Apple's innovation and that played and still plays a huge part in why there are other amazing smartphones out there on the market. The iphone and Apple will always have their loyal fanbase and that is wonderful but change is what stimulates the future of technology some technologies borrow and some fade but there will always be a variety of products that come from others before it and there will be the few chosen that will stand out in a crowd.
To me having a smartphone isn't about the image, its about the amazing features it has and how it will better my life. Seems to me that a lot of you support iphones or droids based off of the image it gives you. Just stop with all the negative comments and "which is better" talk and just think about the fact that you even have a smartphone and all that it does for you on a daily basis.
I personally always look forward on what Apple will do or come out with because I know that it will stem competition and that always benefits the consumer.
Just be cool, relax and enjoy the ride.
Just want to quickly point out that kickstands have been on other mobile phones for at least a year. Examples are the Nokia N86 and N900.
Let me start by saying I have neither an Iphone nor a Android phone.
I have Verizon, and had AT&T in the past.
I am not a tech person, so I wont debate the differences.
I just know when I want to make a phone call Verizon has been far more reliable. Seems like all the other functions are nice, but somewhat pointless if a cell phone can't perform its original intent.
This whole iPhone versus Droid is nothing but another Apple-AT&T versus Verizon advertising campaign. It is a shame neither Sprint, T-Mobile or any other business can compete or even trying to compete. Just look at all the commercial dynamics; AT&T vs Verizon while the others just attempt to sell their product without comparing with comparisons.
Think the argument is simple. If you are an avid Apple Mac and iTunes user then the iPhone is for you; but if you're an MS office user at home then the Droid regardless of the service is for you.
I pick my phones in same manner I pick my home and portable computers.
I brought a 3GS last year. After one day, I wanted a new Iphone with 64gb flash memory. My friends and I were waiting for the new Iphone with 64gb of flash memory. No 64gb phone...no need to upgrade. Everyone wants more memory. We don't need to new APPS. Apple missed the boat again. No need to folks to upgrade if they already have 32gb.
My cousin and I had this very same debate a few days ago. He has the Evo and I have the 3GS. We switch our phones out and let eachother play with them for a while. I love iPhones and I am planing on getting the iPhone 4. But I am not going to lie, I really like the Android OS it's sleek looking and it runs at decent speeds and it does do things that a stock iPhone wouldn't do (My 3GS is jailbroken). I liked the camera on the Evo, it has a very good response time and pictures come out nice. My cousin who is in love with his Evo even admitted that he liked the iPhone for it's simplicity, speed, and just the relative ease of everything all around. I personally think the videos and pictures come out better on the iPhone, it may be because of the screen. I'm sure if you were to upload them to a computer the comparison would be different, but most people just take pictures on their phone and keep them there, they never really do much else with them. But long story short, I think it really comes down to prefrences. I like the Andriod OS I am not going to lie, if I wanted an alternative to the iPhone i would definately get the Evo. But that's just me, I have had absolutely no problems with AT&T and I have been their customer even before the iPhone was released or concieved. I already have everything set up with my iPhone (iTunes library, purchased apps, etc.) so I'm not planning on switching anytime soon. If you're debating between these two phones, I strongly suggest you take a hands on approach with each and throughly test them out before you buy.
Eric Benderoff I need to point out to you the iphone has 'tethering' it was AT&T who was not letting us use it and Steve Job's was giving them a hard time for it as well!
Not true, it does not work on the CDMA phone carriers Sprint and verizon. The iPhone requires a SIM card, which is also not in use on the CDMA carriers. It can be unlocked (jailbroken) on TMobile.
Now that it has a forward facing camera, check out this accessory. It can make video chat (Skype) handsfree just about anywhere!
http://www.suctionclip.com
Palm? You mean that early smartphone company that got sold to a computer company who said they didnt buy it to get into the smartphone market, they bought it for WebOS?
i have the Samsung moment and i love the phone and i love android but i had played with the iphone and it still a cool phone but i wouldnt trade my moment for anything
take from a guy who has traveled all 48 states from bum f*ck egypt to every major city in this nation. I've also used every major cell carrier out expect T-Moble cuz plain out suck. Verizon has the best voice coverage by far. BUT they'll properly charge for turning on ur bt!!!! shitty c.s. Sprint is a joke. u want a iphone on those 3?? can't wait 2 read the blogs about that f*ckn mess. at&t is subpar??? PLS!!! just remember who started it all!!!!! Apple!! every1 else is playin' catch up & always will. droids are good phones from what i hear, did my own personal test. only os that comes close. oh yeah, you know u can Jb ur iphone rite??? u no u can unlock it rite?? what it boils dwn 2 is what you like. me iphone.. period. you guys know why iphone users are loyal?? they listen and implement from feedback.
can u repost that in english please.
i think what you said was verizon has the best voice coverage by far... as someone who travels throughout the country weekly and has had so many dropped calls with at&t i actually threw my $300 phone out the window, i agree.
i have yet to have a single dropped call on verizon.
i don't care how spiffy the iPhone is if you can't make a phone call on it, you might as well get an iPod...
This is a BIG country and there any way too many variables when it comes to network coverage in many areas. I live in Miami Beach and AT&T works FLAWLESSLY with my iPhone. I've never had any problems. The internet is super fast and very rarely I get a dropped call. My only issue with AT&T is that they are expensive, but again Verizon is WAY more expensive than AT&T. I do not know where you guys live and have all this "issues" with AT&T, but at least for me it works great. Tmobile is nearly unusable in South Florida because they lease out AT&T antennas to provide service so their service stinks, nobody wants them, but I have friends in the West Coast that tell me Tmobile is the BEST...So again it's a matter of location...Isn't it always? LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!!!!!!
Apple products appeal to people who can't or won't think for themselves--that is why they have no problem allowing Steve Jobs to control and dictate their computer and phone experience. This is the reason why most, if not all, the pro-Apple posts here are devoid of substance. Apple has made a living from appealing to followers and the uninformed user.
"Outsold" is a funny word, considering Verizon does the "buy one get one" on their Android phones. Really they've just given away more last quarter than Apple. Because obviously the products are so superior.
I'm sorry, I've used the Android devices and the iPhone and there is no comparison. Android devices are just cheap mockumodels of the phone. When the manufacturers can come up with something a little more revolutionary maybe I'll switch, but AT&T has always done me right, and Verizon has worse service in Massachusetts & RI than AT&T so I can't complain.
For those who are acting like elitists because of the open-system mentality... c'mon now. My iPhone is like a frigging rocket launcher with all the apps in the app store and all I things I can make it do. I'd like to say if Verizon had a better app store I'd switch, but it's painful using another Phone once you've used the oh so classy and lovely iPhone.
"Outsold" is the right word, considering AT&T subsidizes ETF's in order to push more iPhones out the door. You can easily say that Verizon will at least stick to their policies.
Your second paragraph clearly shows that you are lying about using Android phones. There is really no difference in the way an Android phone feels in comparison to an iPhone. HTC doesn't make cheap phones at all. I can honestly say that I can drop my HTC from a pretty high distance and not wind up with a screen crack, or even as much as a scratch thanks to their patented rubberized coating.
Apps do not make the phone open. When people are talking about Android's "open-source" they are talking about the OS, not the apps. Even a jailbroken iPhone cannot be overclocked.
It should be afraid and it has nothing to do with specs. The avg user DOES NOT care about the iPhone specs nor do they even know what they are. They just know it's incredibly easy to use, it has itunes, a really easy to use MP3 player, you can watch vids and you can text. That's all they want. And this is why half of you would make awful product designers b/c you have no idea what the avg consumer wants. Do you really think they care if it has HDMI or an 8 pixel camera? THEY BOUGHT IT BEFORE IT COULD EVEN PICTURE MESSAGE! You guys are the real idiots and Steve Jobs knows that avg user doesn't care. The only reason he even did this much is to shut most of you up. He could really care less what any of you think. As a matter of fact, ask 15 random ppl on the streets of NY or any American city what are the specs of their phone. Then ask them what they look for in a phone. You might be surprised. I'm going to refrain from using the word....nerd... Nerd..
I am reposting this because this applies drectly to you:
Apple products appeal to people who can't or won't think for themselves--that is why they have no problem allowing Steve Jobs to control and dictate their computer and phone experience. This is the reason why most, if not all, the pro-Apple posts here are devoid of substance. Apple has made a living from appealing to followers and the uninformed user.
As I stated, you all just don't get it. So you attack the company and its users. You make fun of them. "Obviously since they buy a product based on what they like and find easy to use rather than what's under the hood, they must be mindless". This is why you all won't ever run a company. Your products would go right over the average consumer's head. And you would sit there making fun of them for it. News flash, the uninformed user is the average American. You wanna sell more phone HTC, run more ads. Don't expect to win on a grassroots word of mouth campaign. "Their friend has it, it seems to work well for them. I was able to find my way around it. I bought one" Go ahead, ask me if I own an Apple product. The iPhone 3G was the first and only apple product I bought. It works well, and yes I'll buy the new one. I like the OS, I like the interface. The MP3 player is very easy to use. And FYI, it took a lot to make me buy it. NOW I am familiar with the specs, but just like when I bought it, I DIDN'T CARE. To be honest...that post sounds kinda bitter. Like Steve Jobs stole your ideas or something.
You may be aware of your own diminished capacity and think that must be the case with everyone else as well. However you are not correct and people are not as dumb as you must feel. People may like a sexy package but just as many do not want to be told by Steve Jobs what apps they can have and what software programs they can use. It is fine for people who are uninformed or comfortable with being dis-empowered, but for those who want more control over their computing/phone experience Apple products are a turn-off.
You're almost doing this for me. FYI, I'm not making this up. I have read several articles on this subject. It boggles the minds of many a techie. Many of them don't understand marketing. I agree, iPhone is not a hacker's phone, therefore they don't buy it. The avg user won't jailbreak their phone. Hell, a lot of the won't even upgrade the firmware or OS. I know at least 5 of my friends who haven't. So yes, people aren't as smart as you would like to give them credit for. You think they bought it b/c of Steve Jobs. Many of them don't really know who he is, much less listen to his every word. I used to be that way until I did some research. I've seen the other options. My gf has the HD2, thought about that. Even looked at changing networks and getting the EVO. I was hoping ATT would have 4G by now; not so. I even looked at the nokia n9000, mainly b/c my gf loves Nokia to no end. In the end, I'm going to stick with what was my 2nd choice when initially bought this phone (HTC tilt was my first until I saw how easy the iPhone was to grasp). I still maintain, you all sound very bitter. DID Steve Jobs steal your ideas? Oh yea, I also understand that the control also applies to the MAC, hence why I have not bought one. You won't get an argument out of me on that one. I really don't care for that OS....
@ Eric, a few points where the iPhone does not match Android, one I forgot to mention, which is relevant to your article, is you can charge android phones using ANY usb cable off ANY computer ANYWHERE! on a mac you are forced to buy into their proprietary cables.
HARDWARE:
no interchangeable battery
no external memory slot
no generic usb cable
no drag and drop music to and from device
no flash video or divx or xvid or mpeg 2
SOFTWARE:
WIDGETS! iOS4 has NO WIDGETS???? I would have expected apple to catch up here but we still have a bunch of shortcuts on your desktop instead of having dynamic interface like every other phone manufacturer. I dont see how that is advanced.
when texting one cannot tap and insert cursor into the middle of a word to correct typing, or if you can, it is near to impossible to get it to work, so you have to delete the whole word (duh!)
if a programme opens a requester and you do not want to choose either option but just want the requester to go away, there is no key to press to make it go away, you have to close the app and reopen it...
on my wife's phone I upgraded the software, then wanted to reinstall an app, but appstore did not have the app as purchased... so appstore is not without problems
if a programme asks for gps to be switched on for a certain feature to work, you have to leave app to get to settings, you lose your place! (may be sorted with v4 multitask?)
typing, there is no comma on main page
typing, there is no press and hold to get numbers etc
typing does not seem to autofill with previous info like your email address, so have to enter it again and again
cannot choose any sound you want for email, calendar, notifications etc... only phone and sms
no snooze function for calendar events, only two alarms
skype sync does not sync with same person but slightly different name
has apple overcome their limitation of how apps can talk to one another. I know they have some sort of multitasking in iOS4, but can your apps pass info between themselves like WM6 or Android or Palm etc can?
For the record, you state that the iPhone does not have tethering... The iPhone has had tethering available for 2 years now on all global carriers except AT&T (It is true they on't have wireless hotspot capabilities, the EVO's doesn't work too well either). Since the AT&T network is so deficient, they have not allowed it until the year. It is currently available even thru AT&T now, or an additional price (of course!). The biggest downfall of the iPhone is not the phone, nor it's capabilities, but the carrier. I have used an EVO for the last week - since it was released, and it is a slick phone, but it is not the iPhone, and t will not replace the iPhone. If Apple broke the AT&T contract, they would sell several million more phones to Verizon and Sprint customers, in the first few months.
Ain't the internet great!? Anyone can leave a comment without regard to accuracy, intelligence or conscience... ya gotta love it...
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Matt515c
I disagree, I think the top Android phones should definitely be very wary... Check out this in depth analysis of the devices:
http://www.iphone-droid.com/iphone-4g-vs-droid-incredible.aspx
The only phone that may have a chance is the EVO and here is the comparison between these two devices:
http://www.iphone-droid.com/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo-4g.aspx