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You make an excellent argument in your article. If the iPhone was available on all the networks there would be less competition, and less innovation.
I love my iPhone, but long for the ability to switch to Verizon or Sprint or whichever network is offering the best features and price.
I think this is stupid of what verizon is doing. Obviously, iPhones and att is way better than others especially metro
i have iPhone 4 and i love it
my bro had droid hate it
Your comments may be true; however, I can say this. I have been a Sprint customer for the last seven years, and worked for AT&T for five of those seven years. While working for AT&T I had an employee phone which was a BlackBerry until the iPhone came out. During these times I have had BlackBerry's and Andriod phones on my personal Sprint account. When accessing websites on both phones at the same time my Sprint phones ALWAYS opened the sites first. Both Verizon and Sprint operate on the CDMA network while AT&T is on GSM. It is no secret CDMA is much faster than GSM. I would have never had the AT&T phone due to the Internet speeds had it not been required for my position.
All phones have issues when they are first released. AT&T received thousands of complaints and returns on the first generation iPhone, just as Verizon and Sprint did with Andriod. I currently have the new HTC 4G Evo and love it. Over 20 of my friend who 'where' iPhone user have now switched to Sprint to get the HTC because they liked it much more then their iPhone. I was even able to cancel my home Internet service because I am able to connect up to 8 devices with my phone; therefore, there was no reason to pay for cable Internet at home when I could power my laptop with my phone. Not to mention the HDMI port which allows me to download movies and then connect the phones directly to the TV and watch them.
So, what Verizon and Sprint are doing and have done is far from stupid, it's genius! They don't need the iPhone when they have phones that are better, do more, save you money and move with speeds that leave AT&T in the dust. And now with Sprints 4G network, it's even faster, can't wait until they get it in my area, it will be epic.
trust me when i say that Verizon is much better off without the Iphone. The Iphone really isnt that good of a phone technically speaking, i think that Droids are alot more stable when it comes to technical issues. i have extensive first hand knowledge of troubleshooting these things on a daily basis and all i can say is good call Verizon. The worst part about AT&T having the Iphone really is the fact that they are so expensive and they no longer offer an unlimited internet package anymore 2GB max and anyone who lives off their phone like i do can expect overages.
Sorry to disagree slightly with you there, Sup 12. Agreed that iPhone is arguable the best smartphone out there, but AT&T is no where near the best network. Verizon has continiously beaten them in practically all aspects, and Sprint is slowly creeping up to the point of being on par, if not already better than AT&T. This speaking from experiences based on current AT&T customers and previous ones (myself included).
and how exactly do you hold your Iphone 4, with a pair of tongs :P
Is it an iPhone?.......No......Then I don't care.......But is it an iPhone?.......Then I don't care......
Hey look Steve Jobs is jumping off a bridge!!!!! Oh cool, then let's all go jump off a bridge....this is going to be soooooo cool!!!!!
I very much agree with Sup12... I've never had a problem with apple products where as I've had a problem with every verizon I've owned since 2005.
The droid and iphone are not that different in size, a friend of mine owns the droid X and its almost the size as my netbook!!! O.o
pro iphone for verizon!
I'm in europe and a virgo smartphone user.
In my country there are 2 select carriers that offer the iPhone. Sure the iPhones nice and if they were almost free with a subscription more people would have them ,but they're not. Now I have a HTC android that is
a) open source thus awesome
b) not a hipster phone
c) open source still awesome
my friend who has an iPhone was in awe when he saw me search and download an mp3 from the net in under a minute and so was I to be honest. (*pow*iTunes*smack*)
Every major app from the app store gets ported and there are 100.000 + apps in the store now.
Hot robot love!
it's amazing the amount of comments about who's got the best phone or service. GET A LIFE PEOPLE! they're rolling out better phones every six months anyway.
But the question is, do you have one?
@yancybox : so obviously a paid advertisement...
I don't know ANYONE with an HTC phone who has used an iPhone that thinks the HTC phone is better. they all think that HTC does a pretty good job (I agree), but NOBODY thinks that they are better phones.
@jjclose: that's where you are wrong cause i did. i was one of those people that just had to have the iphone and got it as soon as it came out. i was on my parents plan with sprint and went to at&t on my own to get the iphone. my dad got the new evo from sprint when it came out. once i played around with it and saw everything it could do i switched back to sprint so i could get one. i loved my iphone don't get me wrong but you are wrong when you say NOBODY thinks the htc is better cause i do.
Damn! If yancybox was paid where do I go? I switched from iPhone to HTC. I don't have anything bad to say about the iPhone I loved it. However, a friend of mine has the new HTC EVO and I loved it as well. After tooling around with it one night while we were out for drinks I had to have one. It's not a secret smartphones go through batteries fast (except Blackberry). I love the fact that back come off this phone. I bought a spare battery for when I'm in a place where I can't charge the phone but the battery is dying. I keep a spare with me at all times and I am never without a way to use my phone, you can't do that with the iPhone. I also put a 32GB memory card in it for all my music and documents for work, you can't increase the memory in the iPhone. I love the front camera. My son is in Iraq and I am able to Skype with him at anytime with ease due to the kickstand, iPhone doesn't have this feature. The pictures I have taken, which I don't take many, are great. The 8mp camera is the best camera I have ever seen on a phone, iPhone is 5. I also travel between 15-20 days a month on business. Being able to use this phone as a wireless router and use my laptop is fantastic.
I have to disagree with your statement that nobody thinks the HTC is better than the iPone because I do. Maybe I am a nobody, but I certainly feel for what I use mine for it is superior to the iPhone.
@jjclose I signed up for this site just so I could reply to your comment, I've had numerous phones as I switch phones and carriers quite frequently. I've had the Iphone, the evo, and now I have the droid 2 on verizon and I can tell you that the Evo is absolutely the best phone I've ever had. The iphone pales in comparison to evo and I can say that from personal experience.
@jjclose, ho boy, you couldn't be more wrong than you are right about now. I have an HTC EVO myself that gets daily usage out of me, the thing is an absolutely fantastic phone and I feel it rivals, if not beats the iPhone in many ways. Let's see, replacable and upgradable battery? Check! Replacable and upgradable storage all the way to 32 Gig? Check! Better camera? Check!
While the iPhone is fundamentally a solid device, it isn't the end all of smart phones that's for sure. It's a nifty piece of technology, but it's stuck on one service provider, and around my area of New England, the service provided is the pits.
Not only that, when it comes to new plans? AT&T sucks, royally at that. No longer having an unlimited data plan? What is up with that? Seriously, such a stupid move if you ask me.
Am quite glad I am a Sprint customer myself, even after my original phone, a Samsung Instinct, was the victim of a toilet drop, and my second phone, which was an old pocket PC, ended up dying the day after I reserved my EVO, I still stuck with them, and now I have the best smart phone I've ever owned in my life.
So yeah, you're dead wrong when you think that no one thinks HTC is better than the iPhone, because I am definitely on the list of those who do think they have done a better job. The only thing the iPhone has going for it is the insane amount of apps on the market.
I know a few who prefer the HTC EVO 4G over the iPhone 4G. I myself have an HTC Incredible but I do like the iPhone better (my boss has one) while he likes my HTC better. Grass is always greener for some.
You just gotta love someone who hangs out with clones of themselves...you know...they all have the same phone, car, lives...and then want to claim that the entire world thinks just like them.
You dont know me, but I am an Android converter. I have had all of the iPhones except the new one heck Im a registered Apple developer but I love my HTV Evo far more then I did my iPhone. Dont get me wrong the iPhone is a great phone, but for me I want something that I have more control over to personalize it more. Thats just my 2 cents and I know of about 8 people that have sold their iPhone and jumped on board the HTC Evo. You should give it a shot!
yancy may or may not be a paid advertisement but regardless I own the htc evo 4g also and everything that yancy stated is correct! The evo has a much faster processer bigger screen a louder speaker than the iphone and etc... You can also "route" them and make them even faster! and with the tethering (30.00 a month additional plan charge) feature for free and tons of apps that cost upwards of 20.00 for free. It's hard to admit that your iphone might not be the absolute best but your going to have to deal with the facts.
Beg to differ with you on which network is the nation's best. It's Sprint, no question. I travel extensively throughout the country, often to very out-of-the-way places, and my companions with AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile phones are always borrowing my Sprint phone. I did carry an iPhone along with my Sprint phone so I'd have all the apps and such, but now I have the EVO and have turned off the iPhone service. My iPhone 3GS is now a fancy iPod Touch, which I connect to the Web on the go through my mobile hot spot on my Sprint EVO if I need to ...
As I currently have service on both Verizon (personal) and Sprint (work) networks, I can attest without question that the Verizon service is by far superior. My Sprint (and formerly AT&T) smartphones routinely drop calls in the Philly area while crossing bridges and in many parts of Ocean County NJ my Sprint phone has NO reception. Luckily, when my Sprint phone drops a call I can quickly redial on my Verizon phone should it be an important call.
Wait just a second... Has Sprint changed in the past few months or something, did I have a different Sprint?!?! They sucked terribly. EVERYWHERE I went, no signal, ever. AT&T, however, I always have signal, I don't know what you people are complaining about. AT&T is the best so far, from my personal experience. Try coming down to Texas, DFW area, really everywhere in Texas, see how much you like Sprint.
Ive been with Sprint for 6 years and I can count on one hand the dropped calls that I have had(if it drops call back). I live in Houston and I have gone to Dallas, San Antonio and, other places in Texas with no problems. Ive have been places even when it displayed PCS on the screen years ago... You must buy cheap phones or take the free ones. You get what you pay for. I can use my EVO on a plane.
and i beg to differ with you if sprint is soo good why would you carry around a "fancy ipod touch" why would you just not use your evo and besides you can not use a turned off iphone unless it is jailbroke ps sprint is the worst network out of all so dont act like you are soo badass because your not
You can use your old iphone as an ipod without jailbreaking it:
If you think sprint is the worse network you're obviously an idiot. They've made vast changes in the last years. I threw away my iphone after a day it was crap. I never had service in the mountain or deseret. WHERE I NEED A PHONE THE MOST!!! My evo kicked my iphones trash
Sprint is by far the best network anywhere near where I live. no one who has Verizon gets service anywhere and most people who have AT&T get it on and off in only some places. the only way that the iPhone is better is because it has more apps. all of the apps on the HTC Evo have a WAY better image. they just look so amazing. and an iPhone seems to have a better battery life, but if you know download an app manager, the Evo has a longer battery life. AT&T is expensive and crap. and why not have an iPod touch that's exactly like an iPhone except for the calling, AND have a better phone than the iPhone?
I have had Sprint for seven years and worked for AT&T five of those seven. I can access a website on my AT&T phone and the same website on my Sprint phone and Sprints will load and open while AT&T is still loading....if it doesn't time out. AT&T's data speeds are horrible, Sprint's connect a DSL speeds, much faster than AT&T.....I have both, I should know. I can also count on one hand how many dropped called I have had with Sprint in seven years....I can't count on one hand how many I get on my AT&T phone in one day. Nearly every time I travel on business, I have to use my Sprint phone to conduct business because my AT&T phone has no service. AT&T works well if you are in a city, when you get a a rural area you can forget it.
AT&T (Southern Bell Corp.) uses serial switch networks that are 20 years old. All their new networks are leased to Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobil at an insane discount. This is the only way that AT&T was allowed to stay in business. They are the only Telecomm that owns hardware in the USA. Every other telecom in the US leases the actual hardware.
dumbfoo, u don't need to jailbreak an iphone for it work without wireless service you piece o' shit. yo too dumb you failed to see he's makin a point that he can use his evo as a wireless hotspot. go back to yo mommas pussy you asshole
ok I'm trying to find out what phone is better iphone or the evo ?
THE HTC EVO 4G IS BETTER FOR SURE BECAUSE IT HAS MORE FEATURES AND IS FASTER THAN THE IPHONE.
IT COMES WITH A 4.3" MONITOR. 8MP CAMERA WHICH HAS 2 FLASHES(GREAT PICTURES). IT CAN BE USED AS A ROUTER W/UP TO 8 COMPUTERS. HDMI OUTPUT, SHOOTS HD VIDEOS, SNAP DRAGON PROCESSOR(SUPER FAST) KICK STAND FOR VIEWING HD VIDEOS AND DID I MENTION ITS ON SPRINTS 4G NETWORK? (THE IPHONE ISNT 4G) IT ALSO HAS A FRONT FACING CAMERA FOR VIDEO CONFERENCING WHICH UNLIKE THE IPHONE, YOU DONT HAVE TO BE ON WI FI TO ENJOY. WHEEW!!! THAT'S ALOT
This idiot above me knows nothing. The screen is not high res (iPhone4's pixels can't be seen by the human eye! How's that for crisp? That screen is life like it's so scary sharp!). More megapixels DOES NOT equal a better camera. Bigger megapixels do. They pick up more light! iPhone4 has a five megapixel camera that is higher quality and shoots in low light! Have you tried routing computers through a smartphone lately? And on SPRINT? Iphone has better cameras that shoot HD. The front facing evo camera is fixed focus, so if you try to show the recipient something across the room it doesn't work. The A4 processor is far superior to the"snapdragon". It can run over 50 apps AT ! TIME with NO LAG and NO BATERY LOSS! Try doing THAT on a evo. (Personal experience) 4g is in what 2 CITIES WORLDWIDE! That is completely negligible! You're not on wifi huh? Well, try routing a video call through Sprints 3g and let me know how that works for ya. That is not "a lot"! You don't need a kickstand with iPhone 4! Just stand it up! Wow, I just negated every point that fool made! Smart people have iPhones! You can tell he doesn't actually OWN an evo because he would be complaining! No iPhone user complains about the phone! And with the iPhone coming to Verizon (don't listen to that analyst idiot) you can get far better coverage. Wait till this Jan. Verizon is rolling out 4g in MANY cities (not 2 like Sprint) and then the system is complete. NEVER buy anything but an iPhone. Look for my comment further down the page explaining why this analyst is an idiot and why the iPhone have no competition! You'l get respect for buying an iPhone, you'l be happier, it'l work better, and your life will be al the beter for it!
Only apple nuthuggesr think it's the iphone. Simply put as of right now the evo has better features. I switched from,the new iphone to the evo and could not be happier
I agree completely, besides, at least apple is keeping up with the market, its one thing to be able to take a picture in 8mp however, if you try to print the picture, you'll find that any printer, will not print it out in high quality,, lol I would say more but sadly for me, rpprdud said everything I would have said. iPhone is way better, and please people dont say that any phone, has more options than the iphone, because your just a moron if you do, just ask yourself, is there a jailbreak for that, if not then it obviously doesnt have more options than the iphone, and remember, there's an app for that. ;)
If anyone is honest and not just being biased they will tell you that the EVO, Incredible, Droid X or, even the Nexus are better phones than the iPhone. I have owned an iPhone and it isnt what they make it. Its a nice phone but, you have to do with it what Apple says that you can do with it. Its partitioned and you can only add a set number of apps to it. When you talk about screens the Apples is better in clarity but, I would rather have a bigger one. There is hardly any customization with the iPhone. You have to jailbreak it to get even a little and that voids your warranty. There is a reason that Android owns a little more of the market besides the fact that iPhone is only on one carrier... Its better and its constantly improving and you dont have to pay 9.99 to be able to upgrade for subtle improvements. The only reason that a person would use their iPhone for a media player when they have an Android phone is that they dont know how to utilize the phone and apps to make it their media player. Apple has better marketing and a better screen but, thats about it... They say there is an app for that and sell their 200k apps available but, how many of those are totally useless? Anyone who plays games knows that systems do the samething... PS1 had thousand of boo boo games and sold that to people just like Apple has. Sooner or later the sheeple will wake up.
the Evo is way better when it comes to the screen resolution. if my friend, who has an iPhone, and I both have Fruit Ninja up, mine looks sooo much better. the Evo also has 4G and WiFi. it also has video calling just like the iPhone. and if you download the right app you can video chat with iPhone users as well as Evo users. the iPhone does have more apps, but the apps that the Evo have are really good. it's also really cool because it has a bigger screen and a red battery. I was going to get the iPhone, but instead I got the Evo and I know that this was clearly the better choice. also, if you have a problem with the battery just download an app manager and put them all under autokill when screen off and your battery life will last much longer than the iPhone. once again, I have tested this out with my friend. the only reason people think the iPhone is better is because it came out first and has more apps. whatever. if people actually tried out the Evo, they would love it so much more.
oh and the pictures are way better on the Evo
rpprdud (below).....is an idiot. It cracks me up at these post as if they are salesmen. Let me tell you from personal experience from both devices.
I have had Sprint for seven years and have the new HTC 4G Evo. I worked for AT&T for five years and had BlackBerry's and iPhones. I could access a website on the AT&T device and the same website at the same time on my Sprint device and Sprint would access and open the page while AT&T would still be accessing and more often than not time out. Everything jonq95 said about the Evo is correct. It is a great phone. Sprint has 61 cities with 4G, not two like rpprdud stated. Although I do not live an a 4G area, I was able to cancel my cable Internet provider and use my phone as a modem for my laptop. Even in a 3G area the speeds are good, not suitable for playing games, but I don't play online games, so yes I do use my phone as a router and it's great. The kickstand is great as you are able to watch a video, movie, video conference at an angle. Try standing your iPhone up on it's edge in a straight up position and watching a video for a long period of time, your neck will be killing you. The higher MP camera you have the larger you can enlarge your pictures. If you want to email a picture to someone to view on a computer, of enlarge a picture when you have it developed, the higher the MP the better. If you only want to take pix to leave on your phone to view on a small screen, lower MP is fine. AT&T (Southern Bell Corp.) uses serial switch networks that are 20 years old. All their new networks are leased to Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobil at an insane discount. This is the only way that AT&T was allowed to stay in business. They are the only Telecomm that owns hardware in the USA. Every other telecom in the US leases the actual hardware. Sprints network operates on DSL speeds for data, AT&T does not compare. Since June, over 20 of my friends have switched to Sprint for the Andriod phone because they liked it better than their iPhone.....and one last week took his iPhone4 back (within the 30 day trial period) and switched to Sprint. I have not had one iPhone user look at my phone and what it will do compared to the iPhone and say they liked theirs better.....every single person has liked the Andriod better. Statistic prove this, iPhone use to have 70% of the smartphone market. As of August that has dropped to 48% and Andriod has risen to 27%. What everyone has to remember is Apple was huge in the 80's and did a nose dive with everyone switching to Windows. The iPod, iPhone and iPad has revived Apple; however, Andriod will do the same thing Windows did, cause a nose dive to Apple. Google ranked number 4 on the list of best companies to work for. Apple didn't make the list out of 100 employers. Google is a huge company and well liked, it will propel the Andriod to heights unimaginable.
Go with the EVO, it is definitely the better phone and I can attest from personal experience with it. I've fiddled with the iPhone, and I find it to be a very nice phone, but the EVO eclipses it in so many ways. For one, you can upgrade the storage space all the way to 32 Gigs via MicroSD cards, you can replace the battery if you're not satisfied with the life you're getting from your current one, and Google Android is very scalable.
Also, the camera's picture quality is outstanding! I've easily taken some of my best pictures with that thing. Anyone who says that it's crud clearly doesn't know what they are talking about, because it's anything but.
iOS is proprietary, only runs on one phone, and the fact that you can't upgrade the storage or replace the battery by yourself is a major sore spot. Having to go through Apple to replace a battery? So not cool. I'd have to say it's borderline ridiculous that you have to do that. The only thing the iPhone has over the EVO is the insane amount of apps on the iPhone marketplace. Other than that, no, the iPhone is not the better phone.
I live in Chicago. I used Verizon for the past 2 years and let me tell you that the service was mediocre at best. I'd get a dropped call about twice a week which isn't terrible but still annoying.
This summer I switched to Sprint and let me say, what an UPGRADE. Crystal clear service with no dropped calls ever. And I also get an unlimited data plan for DIRT cheap. I'm never going back.
If you live in Chicago, Sprint is the best network WITHOUT QUESTION.
Well, that make no scene at all since Verizon and Sprint us the same tech and bounce off the same towers. CDMA. AT&T and T-mobile use GSM.
I live in Vermont and in the NE Sprint and Verizon use the same towers that Fair Point took over from Verizon when the pulled out of VT, NH and ME. Anywhere Verizon get reception you will have the same with Sprint just roaming, and vice verse. OH and I work for a consulting firm in the comm industry and Verizon Network is far more reaching and better maintained then Sprint. Sprint rents user time off of most of Verizon network So I do not see how you Sprint phone would act any better than a Verizon phone. They use the same radios and frequencies.
I beg to differ, in no way is Sprint near number 1. I had Sprint for over 7 years before switching to a cheaper local company and my wife is still "stuck" with Sprint, she can't believe the difference between our bills and how my carrier has some features that are better then hers. Sprint is good for spotty coverage, overpriced plans, and gimmicky ways of getting you to renew your contract. T-Mobile and Verizon are way more competitive competition and value-wise then Sprint Piece of $****. I'm sorry I meant Srint PCS.
and compare rate plans. You'll find you are wrong when you say Sprint has expensive rate plans. They are substantially less than ATT and Verizon. They may not be less than some off the market companies like Cricket, MetoPCS or Boost....but they are far less than the other two major companies.
My son goes to college in Maryland and has Verizon, my daughter goes to college in Texas and has ATT and my husband and I have Sprint. We went on vacation this summer and there were several times when the ATT phone had no bars and mine and my son's had full bars. It did not happen often but there were times. I was never not able to use my phone.
You couldn't be more wrong, Sprint has the best data plans around with Verizon in a close second. The coverage has been quite good around here, even in my house I get coverage, whereas with T-Mobile I got nothing when I was on my dad's plan, my God I was being strangled. Am quite glad I made the switch to Sprint at the first opportunity.
AT&T and T-Mobile are on a completely different network, called a GSM network. GSM is a very strong signal, and better in some ways than the CDMA signal that Verizon ans Sprint use. GSM signals tend to weaken in older buildings, resulting in NO BARS. I started with sprint. Maybe your friend's Verizon phone doesn't work well, but I've had much better luck with Verizon than with the other three, as I've been with all three. I actually found AT&T to have better results on the road than Sprint, AND i actually got my voice mail notifications within a few minutes, as opposed to a few hours to a day with Sprint. I'll never go back to sprint.
FYI, AT&T in fact DOES cover the most square miles in the nation. However, that coverage claim is moot if you can't get reception in the middle of a campus building.
So how much did AT&T pay you for this? Just curious, GSM pales in comparison to CDMA, anyone who's anyone should know this. I get voice mail notifications right away on Sprint, and around here, when my dad had AT&T, there was hardly any coverage at all. To say AT&T sucks around here would be an understatement.
EXACTLY!! I have the HTC 4G Evo as well and love it. I worked for AT&T for five years and had employee BlackBerry's and iPhone's and they never accessed the Internet as fast as my BlackBerry or Andriod with Sprint. And like you, when I would travel to rural areas my AT&T phone wouldn't work and I would have to make business calls on my Sprint phone. When me and three friends would drive from Oklahoma to Colorado to go skiing, they would have to use my Sprint phone in many areas due to their phones (two iPhones and one T-Mobil phone) having no signal. Sprints rate plans are considerably less than AT&T and Verizon, and their speeds, reliability and functionality makes Sprint the best.
I don't know. I have a hard time believing that exclusivity has driven innovation and that if these handsets were not open to all carriers it would stifle innovation. I think you're giving Verizon too much credit for Android's success (and I'm a huge Apple fanboy). Also, I would argue that the quality of the networks has in no way kept pace with the advancement of these handsets. We have marginally better coverage, increasing bills and capped data plans (they were "unlimited" last year). The real battle, IMO, is not between iPhone and Android, but between the handsets and the carriers.
Apple is a roller coaster. It was huge in the 80's then it did a nose dive. The iPhone has revived Apple; however, with Andriod moving up in the market, I wouldn't be surprised for another nose dive with Apple. The iPhone has went from 70% share of the smartphone market to 48% in August. The share of Google's Android reached 26%, up from 19%. On the top 100 companies to work for, Google was number 4, Apple isn't on the list. Google added thousands of job in 2010 and will continue to do so with the demands of the Andriod phones. What you have to consider, all phone carriers sell Andriod phones, only one sells the iPhone. The demand for Andriod will be higher because they will be sold to more customer than the iPhone; therefore, the phones will only get better and better which will leave the iPhone to become stagnant. The newness has already started to wear off the iPhone. I have the HTC 4G Evo with Sprint, over 20 of my friends have switched to Sprint since June because they liked my phone better than their iPhone.
The Sprint network is the benifituary(sp) of Verizons lack of iPhone.
To update cables and infrastructure you need customers. The largest company will have the most money to invest.
With that thought, Sprint with the iphone could become the next #1 network. Of course after all the At&t and Verizon uses go to Sprint for the iPhone and better pricing.
Sprint and T-mobiles networks ( Where they actually own and operate the tower's and broad caster) is infinitely small compared to Verizon and At&T. Sprint owned network and T-mobile owned are mainly in the Big Cities. Verizon and At&T have the only full Nation wide network. And Sprints is smaller than T-Mobile's. You will never see the iphone in Sprint because the revenue is not there for Apple. or as I like to call me MS2.
Like everyone I'd love to have Verizon back. AT&T has been much better than it was before, when it used to drop my calls everytime I actually connected to someone... I was the serial prank caller. All that said, I loved Verizon for it's rural access.
As others have said, this fight has sadly left us with so-so networks. I have been consistently amazed with how poorly my phone works while in San Francisco. I'm really not sure how FourSquare can operate so well there with such limited access to 3G!
I have had Sprint for seven years and can count on one hand how many dropped calls I have had. I worked for AT&T for five years, and couldn't count on one hand how many times I had a dropped call on my employee phone per day. The CDMA network that Verizon and Sprint has rocks, GSM sucks.
I'm thrilled to be with a provider that is more interested -although it seems- w/network produtivity rather than the bell & whistles...which isn't always.. ALL THAT!
What does it matter what kind of phone you have if you can't use it? It's like a ten-year-old boy having a Lamborghini; it's flashy, but rather pointless.
I'll tell you why. I have the HTC 4G Evo (Google Andriod OS) with Sprint. Because of this phone I don't need a GPS system in my car because I get it for FREE on my phone with Sprint. I was also able to cancel my home Internet provider being I can use my phone as a modem and connect up to eight (8) devices, which saves me money each month. You can't do this with just any phone. I don't think of it as flashy, I think of it as a good investment.
I agree with competition is good for all of us. I plan on getting an Android phone in a couple of months when my contract allows me. I mainly want to do it because everyone else has the IPhone and I prefer Verizon over AT&T anyways. Even if Verizon gets the IPhone, I would keep my Droid.
AT&T's wireless issue is significant. I don't remember a time when I completed a call without line noise or drops.
In my mind, Verizon getting the iPhone would have changed the game for the carrier. Most large corporate customers would have switched very quickly.
Strategically, Verizon has dropped the ball on the technology for some time. ATT has missed the mark on the network.
Geez, all I want is a decent phone to make a call! LOL!
actually steve , the business side is where att makes their money not off of consumers. and by the way ATT has the best business network out there.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "the business side". I have Sprint as a personal phone and worked for AT&T for five years and had an employee phone with them. In my travels (as business people do) I had to make many of my business calls on my Sprint phone due to no service on my AT&T device. I had several different BlackBerry's with AT&T and Sprint (renew each year) and my Sprint device would ALWAYS connect to the Internet faster than AT&T. Many times my AT&T device would time out and not even connect. I would have to disagree with your statement. On the business side, you want a device that you can rely on and more times than not it was not my AT&T device, it was Sprint. I read almost this same type of post earlier where someone would have to let his business partner use his Sprint phone while traveling cause their T-Mobil, AT&T and Verizon phones had no service.
no such thing as a business network
No one said anything about "business network". He said on the business side. All wireless companies have consumer accounts and business accounts. What I got out of his post is that AT&T makes their money from their business account. A consumer account has few lines whereas a business account can have hundreds of lines.
We are not better off without a VZ Iphone. AT&T is absolute garbage of a service. Sprint's Evo trumps it all though. Imagine a powerhouse network like VZ with a great phone such as this
Way to throw a 420 in there. Coincidence? I think not!
Verizon will soon be an alternate carrier for the IPhone this is inevitable.
Disagree. The Apple iPhone is steadily declining in the smartphone domination. It was at 70% and is now at 48% while the Google Andriod phones have went from 19% to 27%. Andriod is quickly becoming the new smartphone choice. Verizon won't need the iPhone to compete, as the Andriod will take over. Google is the number 4 company to work for in 2010, Apple didn't make the list of 100.
Does this also count for how monopolistic exclusivity contract AT & T's hold on the best phones out there?- The Apple's I-Phone, and now the Research In Motion's Blackberry Torch. Congress, and the Supreme Court should do an investigation over how this is so wrong with freedom of choice of carriers's customers wanting a particular phone, but under a different cell phone provider. Verizon Customers were asking for both even info weather either the I-Phone, or Torch was coming to Verizon after the news of the Torch was debuted. Us Verizon customers are getting fed up with not getting these products at all. What is wrong with competition anyway? I was hoping to have either one of these phones next year if possible, but it seams that it is going to be a pipedream.
Verizon customers shouldn't get fed up, they should switch providers. Apple offered the iPhone to Verizon first and they turned it down and AT&T ran with their offer. DUMB for Verizon, smart for AT&T. AT&T and Apple have a five year contract. The iPhone debuted June 30, 2007; therefore, there is a little more than a year and a half left on the contract.
There is some talk that the FCC is going to make all carriers start carrying 'unlocked' phones. This way, if you want to port from one carrier to another you can take your device with you and not have to buy another. They are also in talks to review how long a manufacturer and a service provider can have a contract. From what I understand they are wanting to limit it to two years.
Interesting comments. Up here in Canada, we've got it better than you in some ways, not as good in others. To a Canadian, the staggering amount of minutes you get in the U.S. is just astounding. My highest available amount of minutes and data on an iPhone is 250 minutes and 1GB data. Yup, you heard that right. AND it's quite expensive. I still pay around $100 a month for the second-tier service (150 min/500MB data) that's available.
On the other hand, our network with Rogers is quite good, and so I find I am a little immune to this AT&T vs. Verizon debate which rages on endlessly in the U.S.
I love my Android/HTC MyTouch and I love my T-Mobile service! EXCELLENT customer service far and away makes up for a dropped call every few weeks or so.
Who needs a more expensive less competent alternative??
I completely agree with this article, I also think that if the iPhone were on all of the major networks that people would definately have to come out of pocket with more money for it, and the App. market would have hit rock bottom a long time ago.
I come from a different camp. I have AT&T, but not an iPhone. My boyfriend has Verizon. We travel A LOT! I can get service almost anywhere, while he is always without service. We are from the midwest and even in the small towns in the middle of nowhere I have service while he is out of luck. When we go to his parents house, he has to use my phone the entire time. I think that the dropped calls issue has less to do with the AT&T network as it does with the iPhone itself. Should the IPhone had started off with Verizon, a lot of people would see the same thing and everyone would be complaining how terrible the Verizon network is. My brother and SIL just got married and moved to Dallas, TX she had to change her service from Verizon to AT&T because she could not make or recieve calls inside her apt! In downtown Dallas! I have only had one dropped call the entire year with AT&T.
Now my mom has an iPhone and she noticed after she got it that she has more dropped calls. Maybe the network can't handle it, but I think it has more to do with the iPhone itself than the actual AT&T network
I'm not sure I get you at all with this article. If I read you right, you are saying that to give Verizon the IPhone would be to give Apple the smart phone market.
In my opinion (and the opinion defined by the word "Free Market"), if Apple makes the best product they should have the majority of the IPhone market.
Your article seems to magically bind the product to the service provider, which is completely ridiculous.
Consumers should have the choice of carrier and also the choice technology they wish to use with that carrier.
You are right; however, it isn't cost effective. With Apple only having to make the iPhone for AT&T, they only have to make one type of device, GSM. If they made it for Verizon and Sprint they would have to make a CDMA device as well.
By the time the contract between Apple and AT&T expire (1.5 years) Andriod will be so popular Verizon and Sprint may not want the iPhone.
You are exactly right.
verizon sucks.. i can see T-Mobile getting the ihpone besides verizon don't have a sim card
you are a goddamn retard
I agree, they wouldn't have to change anything for T-Mobile to have the iPhone being they are GSM. Apple would have to make a while new product if Verizon and Sprint was to get the iPhone.
Once the contract is up between Apple and AT&T I could see T-Mobile getting the iPhone before anyone else just because the phone is there, it doesn't have to be changed, it's ready to go.
they don't have the same band. both are gsm but on different band.
like radio... there's am and fm... ?! geez... enough tmobile koolaid alright.
The bottom line is that Apple puts out a nice product like the iphone, then gets owned by better knockoffs. To say that the iphone is arguably the best smartphone is akin to saying that the Titanic is the arguably the best oceanliner. It was good, it had its flaws, and it is a terrible alternative to most of the Droid phones on the Verizon Network. In no category does the iphone excel over the Motorola Droid except in perhaps aesthetics. We're lucky as consumers not because of the points made about competition of knockoffs trying to achieve a product as good as an iphone, but rather because Verizon has the gumption to tell Apple that they are going to use the snub from Apple's poor marketing to eliminate ATT, T-Mobile, and Sprint because they now not only have an "arguably" far superior phone than anything ATT has, including the iphone 4, they also have the network to support it.
I think there should be no competition. The government should make us pay for everyone else's cell phone service just like health insurance and internet access. CELL PHONE SERVICE IS A RIGHT!
Some people are so ignorant. (holding a mirror for you to look in)
It's amazing the people can understand this about a freakin phone, but they can't understand that the same thing applies to health insurance, education, investments (social security), etc, etc, etc......
OK, here is my story. I'm a Mac user, so you would think I have a iPhone....nope. You know why? Because I'm a Verizon customer and I like their coverage and service, but that doesn't mean I don't want a iPhone. I would love a iPhone, you know why? Because it syncs perfectly with Mac computers. It syncs perfectly with e-mail programs on Mac's. You don't have to use a third-party software to sync with your contacts and calender on a Mac. So I guess that means I'm screwed? Unless....someone makes another smartphone that syncs with Mac computers without third-party software!!!! Wouldn't that be a spiffy idea? Isn't there enough Mac users out there that doesn't use AT@T, that will make a company like Verizon or Sprint make a phone that will work well with a Mac? Am I wrong on this? Is there a smart phone out there where you don't have to use any kind of third-party software to sync to a Mac?
mmmm.... yes, there isn't enough Mac users out there. maybe if macs are worth like 300bucks... maybe.
Well, As we all know you are the iphone can be used with other carriers. Nothing happens to the phone once you jailbreak it excpet the option to use another carrier as long as they have a sim card. As well as add third party apps which is really nice. It opens the iphone to a whole new world. I have the i4 with t-mobile. I have had not one issue with this phone. When driving cross country I have no issues either with service.
The other phones offered (droid) etc. are really just cheap imitations of a far more superior smart phone, i4.
Besides, lets not forget that Apple only signed a 5 year deal with AT&T if I am correct. And that should be ending very soon. So maybe 2011 iphone will be open to all carriers like the one overseas.
I spoke to tmobile service reps about a week ago. It's speculated we will be getting the iphone 4 in 2011.
someone from tmobile said the same thing yesterday
I think you are right about the five year contract, but I thought the iPhone debuted June 30, 2007 which would make it June 2012 before the contract was fulfilled.
I feel you are wrong about the iPhone being superior and Andriod being imitations......and the market agrees with me. The iPhone has dropped from 70% of the smartphone market to 48% while Andriod has risen to 27%. You also state when you jailbreak the phone you can use it on another carrier as long as they have a SIM card.....that is true but limits you to AT&T and T-Mobile in the US. Apple was huge in the 80's with Macintoch computers then they all but fell off the face of the earth. The iPod, iPhone and iPad have certainly rebounded Apple. However, as you can see by the market dominance they are once again falling. Google is the fourth best company in the US to work for, Apple didn't make the list of 100 companies. The Andriod is slowly but surely taking over the smartphone market share. I have the HTC 4G Evo and love it. I live in a iPhone popular market. Over 20 of my friends have switched from AT&T to Sprint since June and turned in their iPhone for the Evo because they liked it better. iPhone was the best and it had a good run, but that run is slowing as better phones are out there now. Just last week one of my friend who had just got the iPhone4 took it back within the 30 day trial period because he hated it and switched to Sprint.
don't listen to this foo.. he know nuthin bout what he talkin bout. yeah right u can use iphone on t-mobile but it won't run on 3g... only EDGE you hear me. and you people u better not drinkin this foo's koolaid coz he talk shit. if you jailbreak an iphone it does not open it to allow other carriers' service...it only allows use of apps not approved by apple...
I don't know anything about jailbreaking a phone. I do know people that have the iPhone that have T-Mobile and it works fine. I don't know anything about what aps they are able to run or use, but the phone works and TM isn't EDGE.
are u sure?! iphone4 can run 3g on tmobile? get ur facts straight... or maybe u aint straight, fag. beat it!
I think imnoapplefan is drunk, not to mention a retarted, small minded, minority child. Did anyone say anything about the iPhone4 on T-Mobile? Nope, in these post it was never stated if the iPhone was an iPhone4. emailoriginunknown you are right, the iPhone can be used on the T-Mobile network. I'm not sure is the iPhone4 can or can't. However, my sister is a distribution manager for T-Mobile in Dallas, TX, and actually has the iPhone on her personal account with T-Mobile. We have never discussed what works and what doesn't as far as the application go but the phone does work. I doubt it is the new iPhone being she has been using it for quite some time. My facts are straight in that I know for a fact you can put an iPhone on T-Mobile's network.
I have to disagree with you, the author. its not up to verizon or sprint to find the best smart phones. but i believe it is the other way around. google and rim should be out there developing better phones to compete with the iphone. if the iphone goes to verizon, it will be upto the other companies to develop better phones so that their sales wont go down. it prevents competition.
think of it like laptops. its like having best buy only selling pc's or mac's. if you have a free an open market, it will be up there for the developers to compete with each other.
yeah right. that's why you're down here and the author is up there. yeah i guess i have to agree with you... asshole!!!
Wow, can you imagine if the market determined demand?! Yikes! As its stands now, the iPhone "owners" just pay to lease the iPhone, they don't actually own it. What you're defending is Apple's ability to manipulate products (post sale) in positive and negative ways without the owner's ability to prohibit that manipulation...unless they want to take full loss on the purchase of their phone.
Could you imagine what it would be like if your car was permanently disabled one day because you purchased gas from a Shell station, and not a Mobil station; or because you drove on a side street instead of a tollway? Your article is stating that this is a good thing.
BTW, AT&T (Southern Bell Corp.) uses serial switch networks that are 20 years old. All their new networks are leased to Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobil at an insane discount. This is the only way that AT&T was allowed to stay in business. They are the only Telecomm that owns hardware in the USA. Every other telecom in the US leases the actual hardware.
AT&T's network sucks. I dont understand how they got the iphone. Verizon has horrible customer service. I use an unlocked iphone on Tmobile network and I am perfectly content. I used to use an android system phone and it does not compare to the iphone's quality. My service is no worse than anyone elses.
where do you get a jailbreaked iphone?
The author is full of crap. Exclusive agreements hinder competition. Just think of how much better the other smart phones would have been had they been forced to compete head to head vs the iphone. The 3 major carriers would also be on the same page and competing with each other for customers. That would mean better plans and better rates for everyone. As it stands the exclusive agreements hinders competition and that puts the customers at a disadvantage when dealing with the companies.
ur the one full of crap. so u think ur better? how come u dont get featured in sites like these huh? fuck off u make me sick
This is such a stupid article. As a consumer we're all worse off not better off! Rather than having the choice of having the best phone on the best network, we're left we best phone on so so network, and so so phone on good network. How does that make us all better off??? If iPhone is supported by both AT&T and Verizon, wouldn't that create an even better competitor out of droid phones? Your article makes no sense at all, waste of my time....
dumb.. u dont get the point.. dumb dumb dumb. shove ur iphone way up in ur ass until it gets to ur brain
This is stupid... The iPhone is over-hyped rubbish, and AT&T is a Superb Network. I live in Georgia, and AT&T is far superior here than Verizon. Also, anyone who doesn't simply follow the crowd, like a good little sheep, will know that HTC's Devices, and the Droid V1 and V2 are the standards in the Handheld market... the iPhone is much like everything else Apple produces: Over-Priced, Over-Hyped, Garbage...
In all honesty, the Writer had the two mixed up. AT&T is the Best Network, and the Evo 4G is the Best Handheld...
I agree. Plus GSM is the world standard so the abiltiy to have a phone that not only works here but is a world phone makes the company all the better. And the EVO 4G is one sick phone, in America it is by far the best handheld though i think when we get Samsung to bring their smartphones here that are running their BADA platform the EVO 4G will become number 2.
The evo is by far not the best handheld. Read my two comments. You have not yet seen the light. The iPhone is sleek sexy an elegant. You get recognized for having one! And evo? No one has those!
I think it's really stupid to fight over which phone is best.The best phone IT'S THE ONE I CHOOSE!!!!.....I personally don't like the iphone but I really hate people written this stupid articles to make you think the iphone it the best smartphone I have an EVO and as far as I know it's the best smartphone I ever had.Period! Don't need any fool to tell me which phone to by as I have had both smartphone in my hands and know all the features each one has but if you don't even know how to take avantage of either then you're better of with a regular phone.
Personally I don't get why Verizon is getting so much credit in this race to create better phones that can Surpass I-phone. Granted Verizon has a huge android market but then so does Sprint and AT&T. The other companies are just not as well advertised. I have AT&T and have always had them and I love them. I've rarly had a dropped call and being that At&t and Sprint are GSM makes it even better since GSM is pretty much the world standard and GSM phones tend to be world phones. Plus if some of the newer and greater smartphones in the world like the Wave 2 come to America they would have to be on Sprint or AT&T's network since Verizion is a CDMA company. But anyways I think the main problem with the I-phone being on the At&T which I bet would happen on any network is that towers are shared and so many people have the I-phone that the towers just can't handle it.
Sprint is CDMA network.
Sprint PCS is all CDMA, and WIMAX. They do not offer GSM.
I think you have a good argument but I could care less about Android or Palm OS. I like Verzion and prefer their network. If Verzion is holding out on getting a iPhone version to work with Verizon than they must be getting a kick back somehow.
I have been an iPhone user for the past 2 years and an AT&T wireless customer since they were SWB Mobile Systems! I'm moving to Sprint and the HTC EVO. I too use a Sprint broadband card for work and travel all over the country and it's worked 99.5% of the time! My iPhone on the other hand doesn't get calls(AT&T's network) and I learn about the call when I have a voice mail. No missed call or anything! That's been going on for quite some time. I'm through with AT&T and my iPhone.
i think you guys need to do some jd powers and associates research to see which cellphone companies reign supreme!
Im affraid it's not so black and white when it comes to cell phone singal. Being a sprint customer for the last 11 years. i can tell you that i've traveled all over and certain phones (like my old palm treo 650, 700, 755p) and others worked in areas that my new epic does not, and vise versa. Sprint is a great carrier. They lack alot of things, but ive been very happy with them for the past 11 years and dont plan to change any time soon.
I totally agree with you about competition. We would all be doomed if Apple were to bring their proprietary tactics to every carrier.
We are NOT better off without a Verizon iPhone. Ever since 2007, iPhone has been the ONLY smart phone on the market. Everything that came after is just impersonations. Look at every phone out there and tell me the iPhone isn't the best. Th iPhone's have never had any major problems. Anybody say one word about that "signal issue" and I swear. Less than .55% of iPhone4 buyers have complained about that to Apple Care. That was 15,000 people at the time that number was published. I estimate that no more than 30,000 people worldwide experienced any problems. I know 5 people with iPhone 4 and not 1 of them has ever had the problem.
I have NEVER seen any of these so called competitors in public. I have never laid eyes on any of the 3 Droids, the Nexus 1, My Touch, Evo, and many more! I have only seen Blackberries, a few G1's, and a random assortment of a few minor "smart phones". I have seen orders of magnitude more iPhones in public than any other phone. All of these "smart phones" came AFTER the iPhone as a response. Apple hit a market in a coma! No one has gained the ground back. Those market figures showing android higher than iPhone are very deceptive. First, they are US numbers, not world. Iphone is SWAMPING Android and is poised to pass the big dogs Nokia, Samsung, and the RIM giant that as been falling steadily. Second, that is NEW CUSTOMERS, not market share. There have been many millions more iPhones sold worldwide than Android. Android is not "growing" and never will. Th entire OS is a flash in the pan. I have never seen an iPhone customer that is unhappy with the phone. The network, yes. AT&T sucks. Verizon would provide the bandwith and coverage that the large iPhone market needs. No other phone (or company) has the kind of loyal following that Apple and it's iPhone has. It's launch days come with thousands of rumors preceding them and hype fitting for a presidential election. Apple is the most revolutionary company there is and Verizon is just not willing to admit their mistake. They were originally offered the iPhone prior t it's 2007 launch and they declined. All rumors point to a Verizon iPhone this January. CEO's lie all the time. There will be iPhone on Verizon. Look at previous highly anticipated products (iPad, and iPhone4) The iPad was predicted long before it's actual existence and the rumors were surprisingly accurate as with iPhone4. When the predictions start to show up, you know it's eminent, and coming soon. No competition can, has, or ever will match iPhone4. I am willing to bet that if you walked up to 10 non iPhone smartphone users, 8 would switch to iPhone if it was on their network/ if they had the money. Let's face it, everyone wants an iPhone. Some don't like Apple because they are control freaks. But that is what makes the iPhone work so damn well! Some complain about the apps. There are 300 freaking thousand of them! There's an app for everything. You look at (in my opinion) the biggest competitor blackberry and you find small, low res screens, tiny keypads, sluggish and confusing interfaces. The phone itself is cheap plastic. The iPhone in contrast, has an elegant interface, the easiest to use. It also has thousands of apps that turn it into so much more than a phone. It is sculpted out of Aluminosilicate (sapphire) glass that is incredibly strong and built on a stainless steel frame. You can't deny that it is a work of art with all the function in the world to boot! It's stupid analysts like this that aren't forward thinking enough to realize that all this "competition" is a flash in the pan. Customers don't like second rate phones with second rate support, that are built with second rate materials, have second rate interfaces, and aren't worth the petrol filled plastic crap they're made of!
In short iPhone=PWN, everything else...... PWND!!!!
jesus, get off the computer and stop sucking steve jobs dick.
LOL, exactly nnbc. It's funny reading these post. I agree with a lot of what rpprdud says. It is true when the iPhone first came out everyone wanted it. It is also true of what was said about BB. I have had BB since they were about the size of a small suitcase. The fact of the matter is, no manufacture stays on top forever. There is always someone working on something better. I remember when I was in college the only computers you saw was Mac's. Apple was huge and on top. Where did they go 10, even 20 years later? They were a whisper in the dark. The young kids these days think Apple is some new company, they don't realize they have been around for years, because they nearly fell off the face of the earth when Microsoft launched Windows 95. Although Windows was much like the Mac, it was better. The iPhone revolutionized the way we see and use todays smartphones; however, the facts don't lie. Where Apple once had 70% of the smartphone market they now have less than 50%. Google is on the rise with its Andriod phones and now carry's over 25% of the smart phone market. The fact is, that will continue to grow being ALL wireless providers sell Andriod phones and not all providers sell the ONE Apple phone. You have to ask yourself, if Andiod is gaining grown and will continue to grow being it is owned by one of the largest companies in the world and one of the best companies to work for providers may not want the iPhone. Many retailers stop selling the Mac when Windows came out. They didn't need it, didn't want it, it wasn't a seller. The same is apt to happen with the iPhone. With Andiod slowly creeping up in sales in the smartphone market, why would providers want to add a device to their line up that did the same thing and in many cases less than other devices? I have friends that left ATT and the iPhone with Verizon came out with their new Andriod phone. I have the new Andriod with Sprint and love it. I have compared it to other friends iPhone and several have said they can't wait until the contract it up with ATT so they can switch. Only time will tell, and I can already see rpprdud eating their words. ATT was the largest wireless carrier for a long time. Are they now? No, Verizon is. ATT gained millions of customers from other carriers when they launched the iPhone. Many of these customer hate the ATT network but stay with them because of the iPhone. With other carriers now offering phones that compete with the iPhone these subscribers will go back to other carriers as they now have a choice.
Just left At&t for Sprint and have been very pleased I have. Made it through 3 At&t "dead zones" in my town on my way home(long island) and have experienced almost zero dropped calls so far all for $40 less per month.(that's $960 on a 2-year contract) Was able to walk around my house without dropping the call as well and service was just as good when I was in Fla. this past week. Went with the Epic 4g from Samsung which is the best smart-phone on the market IMO. The only thing the Iphone has on other Smart-phones at this point is the selection of accessories.(which you'll need a case for the Iphone 4 if you want to make a call)Just my experience and my opinion......
I live in a mountainous area. Verizon is the only carrier i can use. I tried At&t for a year and i couldnt rely on the coverage. So i went back to verizon. And that was 4yrs ago. Its really not fair to the minor market areas. I wish at&t would put more emphasis on coverage areas.The nearest At&t store is 40 miles. Last year I checked to see if the coverage area had expanded. no...The at&t rep could not promise coverage avaibilty in my area. And i live 10 miles from a major interstate. I am an apple freak and i jsut want to laugh and cry everytime i see an at&T commerical. Laugh because the commerical is a joke. CRY because they have the iphone. I would love to be able to turn my ipod into a phone. the phone i have now is a htc droid. but the phone i had before that was a blackbry storm (Series1) from that experience i will never ever ever own a blkbry again.
i have att and there service sucks whenever i go up north i never have a signal atleast with verizon i can get a signal everywhere im making the jump att aint worth it to me all that money wasted
Why does anyone even need a smart phone??!!! Phones are for making phone calls, why does everyone want me to have a phone that goes on the web, e-mails, texts, and tells the whole world my business??!!! The day I use a smart phone will be because someone is holding a gun to my head and will kill me unless I use it.!!!! all that other stuff is what computers are for, MORONS!!!!!!!!!
MORONS? Get with the day and age, old man, I don't know about everyone else, but If im on the road, and I get lost or wanted to check say, an ebay item im watching for something important, I would want to be sure I could check it periodically, but it doesnt have to be only ebay, or say your on a long trip and you need to check your email for something important or your expecting something, what are you gonna do call someone to check it for you and possible piss them off because they secretly dont want to have to get up every time you call them to check something for you, and you say we are the morons.... get with the time. -_-
Hello, not all of us even do things like ebay, road trips, or any of that stuff...and I would never take a job that demanded they could get a hold of me 24\7...there is nothing in my world that can not wait till I get home to my computer to check on...and even then, I'll probably go days without even going on the internet. All these people who think the world will stop spinning if the public doesn't use twitter, and such are lost in the techie life, and never even know what is going on in the real world, I bet. And by real world, I mean their own neighborhood, or town, not whether a celeb got kicked off a Dam Show or not!!
Thank you for your verbose description of Adam Smith's "the invisible hand". Then again, average people need explanations too.
your paragraph about how the ipod is still being rapidly innovated COMPLETELY contradicts your argument about not having iphones on verizon being a good thing. even if the iphone were on verizon, apple ALWAYS has an incentive to innovate because they will always want consumer's money. i already had an older iphone, but still bought the new one because it was better.
this is kinda like the idea that if intel were the only microchip company they would have less incentive to innovate. same with microsoft being the only pc OS company. as long as consumers voluntarily spend money, companies always have the incentive to innovate. otherwise a new company would easily dethrone the current champ.
Yeah, capitalism works... great. Can we talk about the sky-high prices we pay for cell phones and data usage? People are going to argue all day long about which phone/operating system is better. I have an IPhone, it works great for me. Yay. Regardless of the network or phone, it's the rates we're being charged that should be news. It's practically criminal.
what does the CEO of Verizon (land line company) have to do with Verizon Wireless... a completely different company, only partially owned by Verizon?
Lowell McAdam is the CEO of Verizon Wireless.. Ivan Seidenberg it the CEO of Verizon and has nothing to do with Verizon Wireless...
verizon communication and vodafone own verizon wireless 51%/49%. therefore, the ceo of verizon communications owns verizon wireless.
ummm.. NO the CEO does not OWN anything.. with the exceptions of what ever shares he has with the company...
being CEO does not give you ownership of a publicly traded company...
But Droids print money!!!....I don't care I want an IPhone!!!!!!!!!
But Droids print money!.... I don't care I wan't and IPhone!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Kevin! You have really eased my mind on this Iphone dilemma. I refused to switch companies just for a phone and especially to AT&T.(My old company 6 or 7 years ago)You give a very valid argument and you are correct. This has been good for the consumers and for the other phone companies and wireless providers to step up. I have been with Verizon since switching and the Androids are giving the IPhone a run for it's money.
Again thanks, and i'm settling on an Droid for my birthday this year!
Seriously, how many times can the same story be written. Dump on T, say how great VZW is, iPhone is going here, now its not. This story is played out.
Good article, some points I had never thought of.
I really do like the innovation of average users turning their phones into hotspots...lol@InfoSec
WHAT??? HALLA!! U is CrAzY!! I agree the exclusive with ATT has created more devices, but there are also other sideline things in the works that offset the other copycats.. For instance Apple has mentioned many times that the patents it has on touch screen technology is pretty tight! that being said I think they already have a lawsuit going against HTC for patent infringement! Depending on the outcome that will determine who else Apple goes after!! Or they will just lease the patents to others and make killer profits!!
The other issue is the 4G action you mentioned! The reason ATT is "Behind" ,primarily due to the fact that they can boost there current network pretty darn close to the 4G level! The other 2 could not! That is why they needed to jump on the ball! Plain and simple, ATT just does not need to rebuild the entire system. By 2012 (ATT 4G Rollout) I assuming that there would be some tweaks and upgrades that will put them at the 4G level without a doubt.. Also keep in mind that you can currently voice and data simultaneously on ATT Network still on 3G.. You werent able to on sprint until 4G and wont be able to on Verizon until 4G!!
MORALE OF THE STORY...... DONT'T HATE THE PLAYA, HATE THE GAME!
that lawsuit is a joke...apple is just bent out of shape over android sales.
they didnt go after samsung who built the instinct right after iPhone was released...because it didnt sell half as well as the Hero and Evo did.
The iphone is coming to Verizon in January
It is my understanding that Verizon has put that on hold and there is no plans for the iphone in the near future, but I could be wrong because I'm not up on all of the news.
THANK GOD FOR AT&T. I don't care that verizon apparently has a "better" network. my iphone at&t coverage works just fine and has for years. VERIZON CUSTOMER SERVICE IS THE WORST ON THE PLANET!!! Don't really care what anyone else has to say beyond that because any arguments stop right there. VERIZON C.S. SUCKS THE BIG ONE!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all you can't even compare any other smartphone w iPhone4, i'm not talkin about all the features and specs as they were mentioned above. how can u compare cheap plastic android with solid glass and metal iphone4.. AT&T sux of course but its better than sprint or verizon simply because its GSM and uses sim card so you can use it in any country, while sprint or verizon phones are stuck in US market only. 3G tethering is fast enough on ATT iphone. The prices are of course too high on ATT and they surviving only bcuz of iPhone.
I am from West Virginia and the two best networks in our area are AT&T and Verizon. However, Verizon has only been in Wireless in this state for a short period of time, so my family is staying with AT&T for now. My wife has the iphone 3g and my son has the iphone 4.
They both love their phones and my wife even uses hers to make her grocery store list. However, we agree that competition is NEVER a bad thing and the decision to leave iphone alone for awhile will not only help Verizon prove their own worth, but we as consumers will benefit as well from better technology, lower prices and increased customer service.
To the person wondering which phone is better: RESEARCH both phones extensively and only let user reviews be a portion of your decision. I'm sure if you do that, you will pick the phone that works best for you and will make YOU happy. Good Luck!!
AT&T is great if you are in a 3g area like Morgantown or Charleston, but its lousy in other areas. AT&T needs to add more towers to more rural areas to improve coverage/service. U.S. Cellular is great as ALL of their towers are 3g and I have excellent coverage.
This is the way the totem poll goes as far as prices:
1. verizon - highest
fastest phones on their network:
1. sprint - htc evo/epic [ONLY 4G PHONE'S OUT AS OF NOW]
but all in all, it really just depends on how much money you wanna spend on your coverage - I personally have boost mobile myself [CDMA/iDEN - sprint/nextel towers] and can get multiple sprint phones and nextel phones on boost, and only pay $50 a month UNLIMITED EVERYTHING - with 3g internet. And where I live, I have full service ALL THE TIME - and if i want an iphone, I would just go get it unlocked for tmobile and get their $50 a month talk and text [no data].
I work for a Fortune 300 company. Recently my department switched everyone to Droid phones and Verizon. Within 3 weeks they had the contracts cancelled and switched us back to AT&T w/ our iPhones because the service with Verizon was terrible everywhere. Dropped calls, no working internet, etc. With AT&T we have never had a problem and there is no better phone and there will never be a better phone than an iPhone.
^ depends on your coverage area - ALWAYS check your coverage area before getting ANY phone - no matter what kind of phone you have, your coverage is the most important
Okay, first things first. Who is to say the best smartphone is the apple iPhone. Next, who is to say verizon is the best cell phone service provider. I live in a spot where I only have att service. I also happen to be a marketing expert. Competition is the best thing to happen to the cell phone industry. In case you didnt know. If only one cell phone company existed, it would be called a monopoly, and monopolies are illeagl. If there were only one cell phone provider, lets say verizon. What would make verizon want to make better cell phones. COMPETITIION. If cell phone companies never competed with better cell phones the iPhone 4 wouldnt have the features it has today because other phones wouldnt have it. Let me know when you take your personal bias out of it.
this is a hot topic lol. I knew it would be.
I see a few people still want to cling to their iPhone over Android...and thats fine. Thats your preference. But please...dont make the argument that the iPhone is better...I had an iPhone and switched to Droid because its a better user interface, faster and more useful for business applications,media and damn near everything else...
A couple of you are hung up on stuff like the camera...who cares! if you buy a phone just for the camera, you need to be slapped.
cameras are nice but they are an "added" feature to what a phones purpose is.
smart phones main focus is communication and how well it achieves that makes it a good or bad phone...cameras are nice to send pics via email or text..but how good is the funtionality and ease of use for email and managing your contacts, making calls...calll quality and reception?
And here is the big thing that always wins in my book.
Just about everything in the Android Market app store is free. THere are a few that arent but none that you cant live without that dont have a free version that smokes it.
Not to mention MANY of these apps are paid apps on on iPhone and free on android.
As far as carriers, they might be better in one area than the next...thats a given.
do some research, its not hard.
Also, everyone I know has gone android in the last six months except two friends who dont use or put that much effort into having a cell phone anyway.
The gentleman at the top that says that iPhone is currently stomping android is wrong, look around on the internet man...its happening and this article said 27 pecent in august...that was two months ago and droid has pushed hard in the last 6 months...
I would never buy another iPhone after owning my HTC Hero and my EVO..
And Hey, when you spend over $200 on a big fancy phone..you shouldnt have to spend $100s of dollars on apps for it!
Free = Win.
Its all about your physical location. All the networks have strong and weak areas. The real question is who Photoshopped "420" as the time in the photo accompanying this article???
Sorry but I'm not fully buying your thoughts. First off, I find it funny that you say the iPhone is arguably the best phone but don't refer to Verizon the same way, which is only fair. (Both services and phones are arguable.)
My belief is that Android would have come along no matter how many networks the iPhone was on. Ramping up their phone services has little to do with the handsets, let alone ONE handset! They are all competing to be the best and I don't think the iPhone changed anyones planned network upgrades.
I also think you need to give more credit to Apple. You seriously think they stop or even slow down innovation when they have little to no competition? Hardly. They continue to upgrade iPods when they absolutely own that market. You shouldn't expect otherwise with iPhones.
Someone please tell me if there is another smart phone out there that is compatible with a Mac? And in compatible I mean you don't have to use any kind of third-party software for anything, everything just syncs up nice and easy.
So many flaming posts not really say much.
Best carrier is always, repeat always, the carrier which provides you with the best coverage where you work, live and spend most of your time using the device. End of story. Period. I live in DC metro area and all of the major carriers have a dead zone area. So the choice comes down to who provides the best value for the money your spending each month.
Yes the EVO 4G allows one to connect up to 8 devices with its hot spot feature for no extra cost [Disclosure, I have an EVO.] and the iPhone4 allow one to connect up to 5 devices with its hot spot feature for around $30/month. But this does not make the EVO better if you don't (and most probably don't) use the feature. (Only used the feature once myself.)
Both phones will take HD video; IP4 720p @ 30 fps capped, EVO 720p @ (uncapped with latest update, creeping upto 60fps, was 24p) and one can directly output to an HD display. Again doesn't make either phone better than the other unless you use the feature. If you have Apple movie software & enjoy editing on a small screen, then IP4 is for you. If you just want to shoot video & quickly output, then EVO is for you. Either option, I'm not ditching my 1080p Sony Cam.
Front facing video camera is really no contest; IP4 - works on WiFi only & is VGA, EVO - works over WiFi, 3G, 4G & is 1.3 MP.
Still Camera - IP4 5 MP & 1 Flash. EVO 8 MP & dual Flash. Someone mentioned bigger MP make better pictures and not more MP. Actually a better lense makes a better picture. So, if you're using a phone as your primary still camera, you may need to save a few bucks and get a honest-to-goodness DSLR.
Display is a matter of preference. EVO has more real estate. But the IP4 has by far the best clarity & contrast of any phone. Their ability to pack all those pixels in such a small space is amazing. I personally hope Sony was able to get that tech (Retina) from them for their next hand held devices in exchange for giving Apple a price break on the screen. For those not making the connection, if the device has an OLED screen (owned completely by Sony, the made it and hold all the patents), Sony is being paid in some form. This includes the Super AMOLED (OLED is the root) devices. In any case, both screens do the job.
Data speeds - Completely depends on which network is fastest in your area. In DC metro area, all carriers deliver fast 3G speeds. But when in 4G, sorry if you don't live in one, areas, EVO destroys IP4. Averaging 4668kbs/2769kbs.
Keyboard - EVO, big screen equals bigger keyboard for my fingers. IP4, with spellcheck is the winner.
Notifications - EVO, tidy tray. IP4, pop overs. EVO.
Widgets (if that's your thing) - EVO, yes. IP4, no.
Multitasking, as in true multitasking - EVO. IP4 doesn't do it.
Apps - They both have Apps. Apple has more (since it's existed longer). Most Android apps are free (meaning apps you would actually use). The exact same app on Apple can cost you $1, but I'd rather pay $0. Apps on one are basically offered on the other. Only one app I want and can't get for EVO, ViewTi.
How the device looks/How the software looks (overall Polish) - "iPhone is for aesthetes, Android is for nerds." IP4 is better from an overall design in hardware/software.
Cost of plan - if you can afford it, it doesn't really matter.
Corporate Environment - Since most carriers make the most from corporate customers, this should have been included in all the other postings. Fact is IP4 sucks for interfacing with the typical (as in most of the civilized world) corporate infrastructure (taliking Exchange - mail & calendar mostly). EVO is much simpler in it's implementation in setting it up & keeping it up and updating. Honestly, I hope and pray Microsoft gets their new mobile software right. I don't care for the Zune appearance, but I would love to be able to interact with Calendar & Mail. This is equilalent to the one poster wishing someone would make a device besides IP4 that would interact with her Mac without 3rd party software.
And in regards to the actual article, he's not coming up with some insightful premise. What he relayed is basic American capitalism 101. Every company in US history has imployed this strategy. If one makes a product most everyone enjoys (IP4) and one controls most of the distribution chains (major carriers), why would I cut into my profit margin with research & devlepment costs if I have no competition. Actually, I'm surprised the author makes a living writing such trivial and passing it off as insightfulness. For those doubting the US history statement, think oil companies or Ma Bell (as in AT&T & Verizon used to be the same company, along with BellSouth, etc. It's also why MS was accused of having a browser monopoly; produect - IE, distribution chain - including within Windows, plus not letting developers have full access to the API.
I think your analysis is a bit too simplistic. One could just as argue that competition cuts a different way. AT&T has no competition due to its exclusive, so having a competitor (Verizon) would have made both strive to make the mobile experience a lot better in order to win the iPhone customers outright e.g. tethering a lot faster, tethering for cheap, more bandwidth so that features like FaceTime could run over 3G from the get-go, better coverage, LTE sooner, etc. etc. Unfortunately, this is just more of the same overly simplistic arm-chair quarterbacking of a macro-economic scenario that is meaningless....
Well I think it's all preference. No point in arguing about phones and networks. Some phones and networks provide and offer more to certain people in certain areas.
I am a little confused on how either Sprint or Verizon plan on getting the iPhone if Apple wishes to maintain the sim card system to prevent/detect jailbreaking?
I just switched from Verizon to Sprint within the past few months, and I used to work for AT&T. Quite personally, I think it's a good thing AT&T has the iPhone, because without it, my Samsung Moment probably wouldn't be half as good as it is. I'm not an iFan, nor will I ever be. I like my slider keyboards, thank you. There's something about physically pressing a button that a touchscreen just can't beat.
And no, Mr Jobs, adding a physical keyboard will not sway me. If anything, it'll just tick off your already huge iFan crowd.
Everyone, lets settle this. iPhones run apples 0-9 platform and dont get bugs like the 'other' 'windows' based smartphones. Apple has to approve of a carriers network to run its iPhones and iPads. verizon and others have older 'weak' (data capacity) networks. I am a trucker with an iPhone4, only have signal issues in very rural areas, otherwise, its fine. I travel all over points east of the miss river. As far as that droid thing running 'flash', its a joke!! Flash is DEAD!! Html5 has replaced it. The GSM networks can handle more data, its a digital network from the ground up. My (apple) friends dad works on cell networks. he had nothing but bad service and crappy phones from verizon. Also, they want to control the 'firmware' of the phones they run. Thats why there is no verizon iPhone, and not for at least a few more years, when verizon gets an all digital network.
why are you guys on a sissy fight about who's got the best phone? they roll out better phones every six months... get a life.
blah blah blah, I have the iPhone 4 here in California, I have had NO problems what so ever, its a great phone. Ive been with ATT, Sprint, Nextel,, then to Sprint again, back to ATT, then changed to Cingular, Verizon, then back to ATT for the past 4 years, It always came down to who has the cheapest service with the most it could offer, so far out of all the Services, ATT was the best and cheapest and offered the most while having the best support in their customer service. blah blah blah...dropped calls here, drop calls there, thats all you guys are complaining about the most, who cares. Yeah I admit on having a couple, but it didnt take any effort or time to press that "SEND" or "CALL" button again. GET OVER IT!!!
Ok so I used to be with Sprint, they were awful, then Verizon, even worse. I have had AT&T for over 6 years and I love it!! I travel alot, all over the U.S, and throughout the world, and I couldn't ask for a better company, and a better phone, my iPhone.
I'm a happy Verizon customer and I always swore I would grab an iphone the second Verizon carried them. I refused to leave my great service for the second-rate AT&T that so many of my friends hate. I left them years ago and haven't regretted it.
I currently have a Droid X and couldn't be happier. I am absolutely addicted to android and can easily say if Verizon were to get an iphone tomorrow, I'd be more than content to stay with my android phone and let everyone else deal with Apple. The branding Apple does is top-notch and they've done well to become a well known international symbol, but Android has caught my attention and I don't see myself abandoning it anytime soon at all, especially for Apple. I am happy to say I have enjoyed the iphone and think it's a fantastic smartphone, but for me, Android is the way to go. So I guess I don't fall into the statistics for Verizon customers, but just know we're out there!
Uh-huh. Yeah. Right.
The article makes a very good point about competition and the reason why it benefits consumers to not have the iPhone on the Verizon network. I read a very detailed and accurate article off of CNET just a couple months ago about the reason why AT&T has suffered over the last couple years as Verizon has rebuilt its network and Sprint is TRYING to make a comeback (I say trying because I do not believe they'll ever really recover from their deficit behind Verizon and AT&T).
The article pointed toward why AT&T has slowed in sustaining its network in the first place. It's because of the iPhone. The iPhone doesn't use a broadband limiter when connected to the data network, and it literally sucks so much unnecessary data, whereas other smartphones don't have this issue. The result is laggy and cluttered 3G coverage for AT&T users.
But what CNET did reveal was that AT&T is actually less than a year away from not only redoing its network to drastically improve reliability and coverage via a heightened 3G network, but their 4G network will be out likely by the spring of 2011 (or so they're anticipating anyways). Their intending to beat out Sprint and maybe Verizon on coverage out of the gate with 4G networking (Sprint currently only has 4G coverage in major cities... and only a very small handful at that).
I've been with AT&T for about 6 years now and I've never had any complaints, but I don't spend much time on the data network like intense smartphone users. It's great for coverage with phone calls/texting and I usually have 3G coverage. Anyways, the point is that I think iPhone lovers are going to be greatly rewarded for sticking with AT&T another year, and Verizon probably will never see the iPhone because of it. I know AT&T has an exclusive contract with Apple on the iPhone, and Verizon can't do anything about that for quite some time.
I've played with the iPhone 4 and it is great. I will finally join the iPhone upon their next model (likely the iPhone 4G) as I am certain Apple will be doing a lot to bring some awesome features found on Android phones onto the iPhone AND the network will be quite strong at that time as well with real 4G coverage.
i dont know why you would even consider putting a iphone on verizon. they have a slow data network, nothing above 3g out, expensive plans and they are not gsm. why is it so popular to jailbreak and unlock a iphone? well to put it on tmobile's network.
anyway iphone and verizon is trash. save your money and buy a flat screen tv or a ps3 or something.
One sadly naive article.
Basic economics - which I teach - will guide the student to conclude that all this 'innovation' amounts to attempts to capture market share in anything but a competitive market. Is there new equipment coming out? Yes.
Why isn't this an illustration of competition working to make consumer's lives better? Here's why. Companies in these type of industries can compete on price or they can compete on things other than price. These type of companies want to avoid - at all cost almost - competing on price. Driving down prices would be in the consumer's interest as price would better reflect cost. These companies are using non-price factors as way to AVOID real competition that would drive prices down, drive excess profits down, and leave more money in consumer's pockets.
Folks can argue against this line of reasoning and I'm sure some will. Nontheless, this line of reasoning is accurate. By the way, this line of reasoning has nothing to do with Socialism, Communism, or a Marxist critique of competition. Rather, its basic market structure economics in all mainstream economics texts.
WOW! Thanks for making sense of all of this! Not really, I was looking foward to getting people all kinds of p!ssed of about their networks but you had to bring in the truth. Thanks! LOL> now we need a way to find out who was actually paying attention.
Consumer Reports rated, Veriszon the number one network, with ATT coming in second, Sprint in third. Google keeps improving the Android software, Apple will definitly lose the their consumers. Google is more consistent in their research and development, Apple has become in a way lazy, do to the fact of being on top of the game. It is just a matter of time until, some other company comes in. I love capitalism.
I too love capitalism! Well said.
i found that if u switch to a andriod based phone u will be better off and the iphone wont be a problem anymore. i got a andriod based phone never will go back to iphone i am apple free and loving it
i got an xperia android phone, and i think its better than iphone, i mean its more easy to use.
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Some of these comments are comical!
Does anyone realize that Sprint and Verizon are roaming partners? Now, who can tell me what that means? Nevermind, it means that those 2 companies run on the same network in 3G mode (although VZW does constantly try to hold back tower access to all of their roaming partners which includes every single CDMA company in the U.S. while still using other companies towers) which effectively equals the playing field.
AT&T advertises a 4G iPhone that runs on a 3G network if the subscribers are lucky. What that means is that AT&T customers are lucky to find a 2.5G network. 4G on an iPhone is still a 2G network. That's why AT&T has put a limit on their customer data usage.
Think what you will but I am a true insider and I know what most people don't. AT&T does have the most towers and Sprinit has the second highest amount (based on towers owned outright by the company) but VZW has the most available to the customer because they don't honor their roaming agreements while their roaming partners do.
Take it how you want but my wifes EPIC 4G and my EVO 4G smoke my iPhone 4g and her iPhone 3gs like Cuban cigars. You can get on a forum and talk all the smack you want but if you don't have all of the pieces in your hand you should stop talking because you look foolish.
Peace out girl scouts!
4g iphone stands for 4th generation not 4g coverage.
oh and by the way for all of you that dont know in the world market att and verizon are 15 and 16, sprint is't even on the top 30. tmo is number 8..... makes u think a little bit.
tmoninja out in a poof of smoke.
Surprisingly, I'm able to use my cheap Samsung phone to make calls, send text, and receive/send emails on the AT&T network without having issues. The rest of the "junk" that is on phones today is of no use and somehow I'm still able to lead a productive life.
It is sad that so many carriers are in a huge hurry to roll out 4G when their existing 3G coverage is piss poor to begin with! I do like my iPhone but the service is piss poor in SOOOOOO many places. As much as I like my iPhone, I WILL be dumping it as soon as this contract is up for a new phone on the Verizon network again. I wish I had never left them to begin with.
Not true you can use the I-Phone with just about any provider all you have to do is unlock the phone a friend at work has an I-Phone that he got off the street for 35 dollars brand new and is using it with T-Mobile and another person has one and he is using Verizon. BTW it cost Apple around 25 cents to build and ship the POS I-phone into the US where you fools pay 600 dollars for a product built in a Chinese sweatshop.
I have a jailbroken iphone that I use on t-mobile and everything works fine on it. The network is better then at&t's (not suprisenly). It doesnt matter if they "officialy" well allow the iphone on other networks or not because they already are.
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I get what you're saying, but I don't care. No one can be on top forever. Not Microsoft, Apple or Verizon. If the first iPhone debuted with Verizon, it probably would have been recognized as 'being on top'. However, given enough time, other phone networks and smart phones would have started to catch up. Once they did, then the competition would force Verizon and Apple to improve their services and products. It wouldn't have created an unsurmountable monopoly, like Microsoft did with Windows and Apple did with the iPod.
I think its a good thing that Verizon isnt switching to the Iphone because personally I think the Iphone is overrated. Ya its a good phone I have several friends who have one but I couldnt really get into it like everyone else does. I think its a phone that someone buys just because everyone else has it so they think they must have it to. I have own a total of three touch screen phones since they first came out with touch screen. The very first one was the HTC Touch by sprint back in 07. I believe it was the first touch phone ever and it was a great phone back then. Then I switched over to the Samsung Instinct that to was a great phone. Now I have the HTC EVO and I believe that its the best phone I have owned and seen. I personally think its a whole lot better than the Iphone
thats bullshit, you can use any phone on any network. I have an iPhone on metro PCS you just have to know how to set them up. There has to be 100 videos on youtube on how to do this. Next no company being able to corner the market is good, at&t is the only one because one whole floor of the home office is NSA, the DO use the iPhone to spy on you, listen to your conversations with data mining tecnology (the largest investor being at&t) and track and trace what website and things you visit. when i went to the UK every carrier had the iPhone avaailble, so why is it just at&t in the USA, serisouly think about that.
thank you and amen. for real.
Its my understanding from research that the iPhone will only work on gsm networks. Wouldn't do me any good since the other cell company where i live is CDMA and all of their towers are 3g (yes even in the rural area where I live). If only the iPhone would work with a CDMA network.
Yeah i'm sure your right! Because the NSA wants to know what a delusional dumba@@ is doing and talking about. You really are not that important and no one gives a shi$. The I-Phone is only on AT&T in the US because Steve Jobs made a contract with AT&T. It is not that complicated. Maybe you should take your meds and try to concentrate on dressing and feeding yourself. Clearly this is too much for you to be thinking about.
honestly I would never buy an i-Phone to begin with. Too delicate and the fact that there's no way it would ever get any service where i live up in the boonies. I think we need to make a few new flip phones ones that are just as great as all these, but will actualy have a normal life expectancy and work around here.
(((((((plus I love what time it is on that i-Phones screen))))))
I think it is ridiculous how the author suggests that the I-phone is arguably the best smart phone, but then does not say the same thing about Verizon being arguably the best carrier.
I am the guy that Verizon has on their commercials (figuratively of course). I have traveled to nearly every state in the US and many countries abroad and I think Verizon is not as good as AT&T in the states and is totally useless overseas.
I am not sure who all these people are that defend Verizon at ever whim, but the fact is that I have been to many places where Verizon just doesn't work and AT&T does. When you add on the fact that Verizon does not use phones that accept smart cards almost ever, they can keep that lousy service. People under estimate how convenient it is to take out the smart chip and use another phone when one breaks.
I too loved my Iphone. However, loving AT&T is another story. Where I live, AT&T has few towers, so reception was a major issue. It seems that AT&T has no interest in improving signal/reception in my area, so I had to leave them, as it is unproductive to not be able to maintain a phone connection. U.S. Cellular is strong in my area and ALL of their towers are 3g. Therefore, I am now an android phone owner.
So, you're suggesting that Apple should retain anti-antitrust rights, as only the MLB and Haliburton have been granted in these "United" Stated of America, where free enterprise and competition are purported to be the backbone of freedom and democracy? Funny how we've transformed to "iLL only do business with one of you." let freedom reign and rain.
I have had Verizon for a few years now and have a Google Android Phone. I know that there are those people who believe if it is not an iPhone, then it is a waste of time. I LOVE my HTC phone! It has everything I need including tons of free apps. And, since I have never been a big iTunes user and prefer Pandora, I cannot imagine ever needing more.
Competition may be good . . but for those of us that aren't a big fan of Google apps and the surprise potential for pop-up ads anywhere anytime, I'll just stick with my "dumb" phone and Verizon. AT&T is simply not an option for me and a lot of other folks. I'll just pass on the smart phone craze for now. Thanks.
I personally think the Iphone ain't all that. It might have some nice features and crap, but the onscreen Keyboard is too small too be able to type good. Not too mention, If you drop this one too many time you have a chance of damaging the touch pad feature on the phone. Personally I think Verizon and Sprint made a wise move by not joining the bandwagon.
You all need to get a life.
i dont know if anyone else noticed about
verizon phones and it doesnt matter which one you have. you cant stream or download from other sites
I had a Blackberry on my ATT account and it was absolutely pitiful at times with dropping calls, dead spots, and it was unable to stay connected in many buildings; especially metal ones. I switched to a CDMA network and got the HTC Desire last week. Haven't dropped a single call since and for the first time ever, I am able to talk on my cell phone inside my work place. With ATT, I had to go outside the front door about five yards to get reception. The ATT tower was in line of view less than 1/2 mile from my work place. I'll never go back to a GMS network!
Ha! "Anytime soon". Thats the funniest part of this whole article. iPhone running full on on Verizon in less than 6 months. What's this guys time reference to anytime soon?
I strongly disagree with the article, I don't want to pay top dollars for a smart phone that is useless when I travel over seas. I have been in Europe, Asia, Africa, no CDMA! No one use CDMA in the world but Verizon and Sprint. if you don't travel, Sprint sound a better deal $70 for everything, 4G network. Verizon milks you price wise. they did for you land line and continue with your wireless.
GSM phone hold their value, you can trade them for the same or more for what you bought them for, especially the iPhone. sold mine over seas/ebay for $500 every time and used the money to upgrade. I actually made money!
GSM network in Europe and Asia are way faster and advanced than here (U.S). and that's because of the monopole that is inflicted upon us by AT&T, Verizon and the Congress they have in there pockets. all the Gov network is either Verizon or At&T ...they are to big to fail! and they will suck the hell out of your wallet. No one in the wold pays for incoming calls but us. why because they can! when you see China, India, Europe, it makes you upset. we are held back technology wise, and abused service and price wise by these two sharks monopolizing the phone networks.
I think what would probably drive people to use other smartphones is the better development of more accessories. I see so many other accessories and hardware for the Iphone. I hate the way these different companies have developed their phones to NOT be compatiable with nothing else but the few devices they put out with that phone. I like the iphone for the fact that you can dock and go anywhere, i.e. car consoles, radios. With most of the other smartphones you have to be very computer savy and inventive.
i have a blackberry curve 8530 on the verizon network and its not the best phone,dropped calls can't send or receive texts in certain areas, i had an samsung alias 2 and i loved that phone...but phones don't like concrete
This past June my family decided to treat themselves to smartphones- my father in law and wife got iphone 4s, I got a samsung galaxy s android phone. Having sampled both, I do not regret the choice- on the iphone all you get is boring blank pages with apps lined up. On Android you get several pages of fully customizable desktops that you can personalize and place widgets to personalize your phone, in addition to the apps which have their own separate space. Plus we get real multitalking on EVERY app, not just partial multitasking on a small handful of apps, which apple just granted its users.
Apple only just recently gave iphone users the use of static wallpapers, where android gives us awesome animated live wallpaperse you can interact with - while maybe more fun, than functional, every apple user I've shown this to got green with envy upon seeing my desktop.
Finally, the android market for apps is free and open, with little to no approval process to post new content, letting the users dictate what apps they want and are available where apple only puts up apps it approves to meet its "standards" and that gel with its company line. I phone is full of fun stuff without the need of warranty voiding hacking that you will never see on an Iphone!
Nope. Corporations exist to make money. No matter what carrier has the iPhone, innovation will continue and competition will increase. Putting the junk iPhone that so many zombies "must have" on another carrier will mean little. Go get one and see how lame it is for yourself. I am astounded how little people actually expect from something so expensive. Most people just want to say "I have an iPhone" to be cool. Seriously, its not all that great, and the restrictions are ridiculous !
Droid is so much better. I rather have my Droid than any IPhone. Honestly there really isn't a difference between them both. They have the same apps, only difference with the IPhone 4 there is video phone. Woohoo, doesn't do any good if the other person your talking to doesn't have the same feature. I'll stick with my Droid. Forget the IPhone. Verizon and Sprint is better off. Plus AT&T sucks so they need something to hold on to their customers with and I guess the IPhone is that something. I LOVE ANDROID.
Why do so many Americans feel they must have the latest gadget on the fastest whatever? So many people in the world have a hard time just keeping a roof over their head, food, clothes, and medical care. I have internet (not the fastest) because the faster networks cost more; I have a cell phone that is about 10 years old. I'm lucky to have a job and the things that I do have.
I too use to be one of the Iphone user, I really enjoyed the phone but just didn't see myself paying that much every month for one line. I swithed to Sprint and got the Evo and love the phone. If Att would really sit back and realize the customers they loose due to high monthly bills they would really reconsider they month plans.
My wife has the new Samsung Galaxy S and all her friends with iphone are switching to the Samsung as fast as they can. The iphone is a media maven and nothing more. The battery problems, the antenna problems, the functionality problems are all indications of grammar-school engineering. The "iphone" concept wasn't even invented by Apple, just copied by them with some world-class marketing.
James, you are a smart guy! What You said on here is 100% true, my friend! I work for Consumer Digest and worked for JD Power And Associates. The concept of "The iphone" wasn't an Apple Intellectual Property Idea, as you mentioned, but a freaking slogan they stole from some European Advertising Executive and turned it into their own scheme. One thing apple does do better than everyone else is their notebook computers (MacBooks) and their Desktop Macs! Superior Computers, YEs!
The best cell phones in the world, NO! Amongst the best=YEs!
Yes, The iphone is a Media Maven and Bohemet, my friend!
It is overhype in its most brutal and malicious form, as to sucker American & International Consumers to buying all products made by Apple and or Microsoft (The two biggest makers of technologies for retail consumptions in the world and not necessarily in the order I have put them here either, but u all
know what I mean!) Don't get me wrong! Apple and Microsoft
make good products, its just that those products they produce
are not the 8th. and 9th. wonders of the world, if u know what I mean! Consumers need to wiseup and get some logic in their
I went from an iphone to a DroidX. Mainly because I hated AT&T and was sick of dropped calls. It took me awhile to get used to the Droid -- now I love it. It's much more than just a phone -- I use it for everything. I use it much more than I ever used my iphone.
HTC EVO vs IPHONE, the battle will always go on. After using both I'd have to say that the iphone 4 is better. It's a pocket size phone with an amazing resolution and it's battery life is better the the HTC EVO. Also when I'm using the phones outside there's too much glare on the HTC. I think android phones are getting a bit too big.
Horse crap. The key word here is arguably, as in arguably the best phone. There are those of us who use a phone to make and receive calls, track schedules and contacts which are synced with Google calendar and / or Outlook/ Exchange, in other words use our phone to get something done rather than play games, and don't care that our phone is not the "cool" choice, or that it does not have a picture of a fruit on it. Those who don't think the iPhone is the best on any network. Especially those of us who live outside the major metro areas, and more especially those of us who don't like to be told just how we ought to hold our phones.
Secondly even if the assumption is made that the iphone is the best, to further assume that other vendors would simply fold up and quit making phones to compete is a big stretch.
I love my Storm and would be hard pressed to give it up, if I did it would be for a Palm (had a Treo and loved it till I killed it after two years of hard use), the newer Blackberry with an actual keyboard, or one of the driods, but not an iphone.
All that said, overall I agree that Verizon is better off without the iphone there are those of use who have work to do and don't need our network clogged up with all that silly app traffic.
I think that it is great that the Android phones are the major phones of networks that are not AT&T. It does make the competition strive to be even better.
The thing about networks though is that most people do not understand them. The terms 3G or 4G does not mean that one network is better than another. All it means is that that network (provider) has upgraded their network. Sprint and Verizon still use a CDMA network which is only used in the United States. AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM network which is used world wide and is better to upgrade. The CDMA network will work for most individuals but for those of us who travel the world, like to have a phone that they can actually use in another country without having to buy another phone. So, with Verizon's and Sprint's 4G CDMA network, it is just now starting to be as fast as AT&T's and T-Mobile's 3G GSM Network.
Everyone has their own feelings about the provider that they are with. Every provider has dropped calls, poor coverage in certain areas, etc... No matter what provider one is with, these issues are with all of them. It just depends on where you are at and what you are doing. (oh, and how you are holding your phone :))
Well I guess none of this will be relevant when the Verizon iPhone comes out next year.
I have to take issue with any presumption that iPhone is a superior phone. I now have 3 friends who ditched their iphones in favor of the Droid X. Two more that are doing the same once their iPhone contracts are up. My boss when he compared the iPhone head to head with the Samsung Galaxy chose the Galaxy. And I know of no one who switched from any android phone to iPhone. There are a lot of people out there who believe that the iPhone is superior, but it is amazing how many of those change their minds once they actually compare.
iPhone is a phone and operating system. Android is just an operating system. I will never understand why people keep trying to compare them.
But as long as we are here, I will say this. No matter what any other phone or phone operating system does i will never ever switch from my iPhone for one major reason. I have a HUGE iTunes library and the iPhone is the ONLY phone that syncs with it. The iPod is the best music player out there and the iPhone is the only phone to have that integrated into it.
Actually, in Japan, they have an Mp3/Mp4 Player that does everything the ipod does, but has cut and paste technologies that allows u to internally mix your songs (like a DJ) and all components are in HD Surround System, HD Mp3 Audio,
HD 1080 P 4 in. screen (that u can acutally view in HD without the service of paying for it, an adapter that lets you play your
DS Light Nintendo Games, PSP Games, and ISO-Emulators that you can download from a website to your Sony AMuse, that's what is call, and this mp3/mp4 player is the biggest secret in the technologies industry, since apple is trying its best to keep it out of the U.S. Market and you can only buy it in Japan, South Korea, and in Western Europe, but the word is that this Sony
Amuse II will be appering in the U.S. late summer 2011. This
has a very strong potential of driving the ipod touch out of business, if enough people learn about it. In Japan it cost around $200 U.S. Dollars with a 20 Gig Capacity, but like I said, it has all HD Components, adapters and drivers that let u integrade it with other music libraries, players, and applications apple does not have and capabilities apple does not produce at this time. Remember, Japanese have a way of taking an American Inventions (the mp3 player) and sooner or later, they will figure out a way how to make it better than how we made it.
The Android X and The Android that is coming out next year will be a Phone System and Operating Sytem all roll into one. Trust me, companies are smart enougth to know what Apple is up to and they catch on real fast. There are no true secrets in the technologies business. Pretty much, what ever one company is going, everyone else will do as good or better, sooner or later, and like one guy said here: Within 3 to 6 months new technology is rolling out and the technology you bought 3 or 6 months ago is pretty much obsolete by the time it rolls out into the consumer market, that is why, on average, you have 6-9 new smarts phone debuting in the market ever 3 months or so.
jjclose I'm so with you on that one! I know several people who have HTC Evo's and they really enjoy them but none have said there so much better than an iPhone 4. FOR ME and thats the only person I can speak for or really even care about, the iPhone 4 does everything I want it to do and does it better than the other phones I have tested. I don't care about an HDMI port since I can connect my Mackbook pro to the TV and do the same thing which by the way I never do anyway since I have no problem watching what I want when I want without using my phone or laptop. Second having a 4g phone at this point in time is close to being retarded since its not a widespreed coverage and everyone I know with the EVO 4g is always connected to the 3g network anyway and that is the reason Apple didn't jump right in with a 4g phone. On that same not the EVO's batterie sucks when connected to 3g and sucks even more when connected to 4g... 3rd point is the app store is much better than the Android market for many reasons, first the app store has wayyyyyyyy more apps and second I want Apple to make sure developers are not selling crap that will infect my phone. It is beyond me why people don't understand that Apple is looking out for the consumer when making such a closed system i.e. thats why I have had a mac laptop for 6 years now and never had any problems beside getting the hardrive replaced once. Oh and you may ask how do I know the app store is better than the android market? Well thats because my friends that have HTC phones will look at an app I'm using and say "thats cool let me see if they have that for my phone.....no they don't have it:-( for example Android doesn't have Netflix which is huge for me and on a lesser note they don't have fan direct which lets me order food and drink at a Phillies game and get it delivered to my seat. My last point is that everyone of you Apple haters needs to get a life because who really cares about this crap. I'm sick of reading about how much you all hate Apple, if that is the case stop reading articles written about Apple and don't waist time making comments. I buy apple because I LIKE IT and not because it gets me girls or I think it makes me cool because I really don't give a damn what others think. I buy Apple because for me its the best and most reliable tech product out there.
Ok one thing version doesnt have is being able to call and surf the web at the same time. That made At&t a great network for iphone is being able to surf and call at the same time. I have had htc phone loved them and a iphone still love it
ATT=bad, i have never liked their service and they are to controlling with their customers. how lazy and greedy of a company do you have to be to decide its better to limit your customers internet instead of just upgrading the network you already have to handle more users and get better speeds. i would never use ATT for anything. as far as who has better phones jqdsilva said it best they're rolling out new phones every six months so no really has the best phone. its just like computers you might have the flavor of the minute for now but in 6 months there will be better stuff out and available. everyone has a preference for the phone they like but i would never use ATT.
Horrible article. Very biased (Verizon is the best network), (iPhone is the best smartphone). By hardware and features alone i can think of atleast 2 other phones that make iphone look weak ( HTC EVO, Motorola Droid X) Sprint is rolling out they're 4g network long before anyone even plans on doing so. and sprint plans are shown to be cheaper with more data usage. 4g on a phone alone makes iPhone yesterdays news. the problem is the consumer. they want whats hot now rather than what is truly the best package.
Maybe this factual comment is unfair to all those that have posted their opinions on this forum, but I work for the Consumer Digest as a Technologies & Electronics Expert Researcher and What I will tell U will or might shock you: Apple and Microsoft make the most overated products out of all the technologies corporations. Meaning, they are good products, but not everything they promise the consumer. A question for all of u:
If Apple Cell Phones were so great and dandy, why is it that no Apple Phone has won the Cell Phone of The Year? Yes, they actually have A Cell Phone Of The Year Award since 2001. When put to a head-to-head test on overall performance and features, for instance, the Motorola Android 2 got a higher
rating in 8 out of the 10 categories tested over the Apple iPhone 4. When put to the test
on a head-to-head battle, the Samsung HTC out
performed the iphone in 6 out of the 10 categories tested. The Blackberry Curve 9000 was the cell phone of the year in 2009 and the G1 was the cell phone of the year in 2008, just to give u a little taste of this
technology and business. The reason: Apple is notoriously known for making one great product one year and intentionally leaving bugs in their newer models, so that dumb consumers can continue buying the new phones, i.e., iphone 1 was great, iphone 2, pretty descent, iphone 3 very good, iphone 4, a piece of crap if u ask an expert in this field. To conclude this, consumers are pretty ignorant of technologies and usually fall fof the hype and I can guarantee that the iphone 4 will not win the cell phone of the year in 2010 like it has not won the phone of the year, ever.
YES! The HTC EVO & Android X are superior smart phones to the iphone 4. Very good, Chris 01. U R actually a smart consumer!
1 thing apple does better than everyone else is the apps they supply within their phones, but when tested head-to-head in overall performance, they tend to lose out against 2 or 3 other competitors. iphones are amongst the best smartphones in the market top 3 or top 5, but the research proves every year that they are not the best in overall quality and performance.
Like I said, I work for Consumer Digest and worked for JD Power And Associates before.
AT&T can keep their Iphone. I don't want it anymore on Verizon. President of Verizon, please stop trying to get the Iphone. The Androids are way better and if they really are not, then give it a year and they will be.
I have samsung moment on sprint i love it.. little bulky.. wife has iphone.. she has better signal.. i like more than 1 button .. doen't matter new phones are out every week and my contract is 2 years .. i don't understand how people constantly get new phones
I say whether or not Verizon (Im a loyal customer) gets the iPhone, I still wouldnt buy it. I dont like, refuse to get, would break or sell any Apple product even if I got it for free. All I hear about is iPod this, iPod that. iPods have taken over a majority of the markets and I personally think they're crap.
please let me explain how rediculous this article is .. first of all i would liek to find out if the author of this article got paid by verizon to do so... having a smart phone on the verizon network of any kind is stupid.. why would u want a smart phone which is meant for multi tasking on a network where u can only do things one task at a time ... at&t's data speed is always going to be faster than verizons... and sprint is arguably the worst post paid provider on the market today.. just look at their return rate .. all i want who ever is reading this to take away from my statement is ... sprint has the 4g network that is available ... in about 25% of the areas where they have coverage ... so for u that are paying 10$ a month extra... unless u live in the (4g) area ur paying 10$ extra a month for just saying u have the evo...and verizon having smartphones is completely redundant.. being on the cdma network and not being able to MULTI TASK with a phone that is meant for business professionals so they can MULTI TASK is redundant... which makes AT&T the best provider out .,..
oh and hwoever said that their sprint phone opened web pages faster than at &ts .... compare the phones... sprint is no where as fast as at &t ... i have the iphone and my friend has the samsung moment (android phone on sprint) and we compared opening up simple pages like facebook and twitter and google and my phone beat his by far... on top of that samsung came out with the galaxy s models virtually all the same phones just on different networks...well their captivate from the galaxy s models on the at & t network was their best work.. so use the galaxy s models (android) to compare whos networks better..
I've been a member of all 3 networks. I have to say that At&t gets a bad rap. It's been dependable for me and never had problems.
For all those out there who have the Evo or Droid, keep saying your phone and network are so much better. Iphone owners don't have to say anything and we really don't care. We're happy beyond happy and have been for the past years the iphone has been out. Nobody is questioning their iphone and the great product it is.
My brother is a die hard verizon user and to be completely truthful, even with a droid, he drools over my iphone. I love to rub it in!
Keep talking and defending your networks and phones. You have to justify not having an iphone somehow.
wait someone who believes in competition in the market? And doesnt think Apple should be sued for limiting the iPhone to just one provider? What is going on here? How can you not want to punish evil companies like apple for making a successful product and deciding what service provider should be allowed to carry it?
The reason Apple is successful is because it only competes with itself.
Meanwhile, Android is a great example of creating products to try to make money rather than actually fill a need.
Competition if definately good!
I'm on my 6th iphone. Had them since day 1 even with the sub-par AT&T service. I've been with the now AT&T carrier since way back in the Cell One days of the early 90's.
I keep hoping that AT&T will step it up and now with real competition I assume they would have to.
My wife also has the I Phone along with both of our oldest children and her water broke at my sons baseball game and with our third child.
SHE WAS IN A DEAD ZONE and couldn't reach me.
Let's step it up AT&T
Iv'e been a loyal customer....So far.
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